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A Fresh Look at Accounting Firm Transitions Puts Quality of Life First

Earmark Team · February 2, 2025 ·

In a recent episode of the Who’s Really the Boss? podcast, attorney Sara Sharp joined hosts Rachel and Marcus Dillon to discuss the evolving world of accounting firm ownership, legal compliance, and how forward-thinking solutions like phantom equity can help firms thrive.

Sara, who works almost exclusively with CPAs on practice transitions and day-to-day compliance, sheds light on key issues every firm owner should consider—from multi-state employment laws to IRC Section 7216, which requires tax return preparers to protect clients’ tax return information or face possible criminal prosecution. Sara also discussed how creative ownership structures can bridge the gap between traditional partnerships and the need for modern flexibility.

From Compliance Challenges to Ownership Solutions

Rachel and Marcus initially engaged Sara to revisit the Dillon Business Advisors (DBA) employee handbook, recognizing that multi-state compliance for PTO and other policies was becoming increasingly complex. What started as a routine legal audit soon expanded into a broader conversation: How do small and mid-sized firms protect themselves legally while also planning for the future?

“A lot of people think signing up with a PEO solves everything,” explains Rachel, referencing how DBA initially assumed their Professional Employer Organization would handle compliance. “But we still discovered plenty of state-specific requirements.”

Sara points out that many accounting firms face challenges such as:

Multi-state labor laws require unique PTO accrual rules or payout stipulations
Contractor vs. employee misclassification can lead to costly fines
Sec. 7216 regulations mandate specific client consent forms when outsourcing tax prep or using contractors

Addressing these issues up front, says Sara, frees firms to focus on strategic goals like offering innovative ownership pathways.

Why Traditional Partnerships Feel Precarious

Despite the compliance work, most of Sara’s clients ultimately want guidance on ownership transitions, whether selling to a third party, merging with another practice, or rewarding top team members. She uses “one foot on the boat, one foot on the dock” to describe how many owners attempt to ease out of the business while transferring equity to new partners. This can create a drawn-out process where any sudden shift—divorce, health crisis, or relocation—throws everything off balance.

“You can set up a five-year partnership buy-in plan,” says Sara, “but if something goes wrong in year two, you’ve got a mess on your hands, with partial owners and complicated payouts.”

Phantom Equity: A Modern Alternative

At DBA, Marcus and Rachel wanted to recognize two key team members—Leslie Reeves, CPA and Amy McCarty, MBA—without forcing them to buy into a rapidly appreciating firm. “We’re not just talking about hours and ‘butts in seats,’” Marcus explains. “Leslie and Amy bring strategic value that far exceeds any traditional measure of partner track.”

The solution? A phantom equity plan. Sara helped them design an arrangement wherein these employees receive financial benefits tied to firm performance—just as if they owned a small percentage—but without actual stock in the company. They would still see real economic participation in a potential sale or buyout event.

“We’re going to treat you economically as though you are a 1% owner,” Sara notes, “but you’re not on the cap table. It’s simpler, and if someone leaves, they aren’t stuck with actual shares in the business.”

For Marcus and Rachel, this addresses talent retention—rewarding employees who already act like owners—and risk management: no messy buyouts if life circumstances change.

Evolving Valuations: From 1X Revenue to 8X SDE

Another factor driving new ownership models is how valuations have changed. Sara observes that many accounting firm owners still assume they’ll fetch about 1X gross revenue. Yet private equity, family offices, and younger entrepreneurs increasingly evaluate profitability. Instead of valuing a practice based on gross revenue, they’re basing it on earnings—often 4X to 8X seller discretionary earnings (SDE).

“Now that people realize it’s about cash flow, we see more sophisticated questions,” explains Sara. “Do you have digital relationships with clients? Are you reliant on face-to-face drop-offs? Efficient, profitable, tech-savvy firms can get premium multiples.”

Younger generations of accountants prioritize work-life balance and operational efficiency. They’re less inclined to log 70-hour weeks or maintain a physical office for clients to drop off paper forms. Sara says this cultural shift is clear in her legal practice:

“I’ve got buyers in their 20s and 30s who want to do everything in the cloud, automate workflows, and raise rates so they don’t have to manage thousands of low-margin returns. They’re running the business more cleverly.”

Looking Ahead: Aligning Compliance, Culture, and Ownership

As more firm owners realize they must adapt to multi-state employment, shifting professional values, and new valuation formulas, legal compliance and innovative ownership structures become intertwined. Whether ensuring your employee handbook meets Colorado PTO law or sending out proper Sec. 7216 disclosure forms, or designing phantom equity plans, the best solutions are protective and empowering.

“Firms want to preserve culture, recognize talent, and plan for what’s next,” says Sara. “But you can’t marry that boy just to keep from hurting his feelings,” she quips, invoking her mother’s advice on knowing when to walk away from a bad deal—or a rigid tradition that no longer fits.

By balancing compliance groundwork with creative reward systems, forward-thinking firms can attract and retain top talent, command higher valuations, and sleep peacefully at night, knowing they’ve protected themselves and their employees.

To hear more about Sara Sharp’s legal insights and how DBA structured its phantom equity plan, listen to the full episode of Who’s Really the Boss? podcast.

Rachel and Marcus Dillon, CPA, own a Texas-based, remote client accounting and advisory services firm, Dillon Business Advisors, with a team of 15 professionals. Their latest organization, Collective by DBA, supports and guides accounting firm owners and leaders with firm resources, education, and operational strategy through community, groups, and one-on-one advisory.

Why This CPA Firm Stopped Marketing (And Started Growing Faster)

Earmark Team · January 30, 2025 ·

“Just turn on your firm’s marketing.” It’s a deceptively simple suggestion that makes experienced CPA firm owners cringe. Yet for firms seeking to grow their monthly recurring client base, it’s often the first piece of advice they receive.

But what if conventional marketing wisdom is leading accounting firms down an expensive dead end? That’s the question Rachel and Marcus Dillon found themselves asking after investing over $500,000 in various marketing experiments in the early days of their accounting firm. Trying out outsourced marketing, internal sales teams, and lead generation services led to a surprising discovery: the most effective way to attract high-value monthly recurring clients isn’t through traditional marketing tactics at all; it takes a relationship-first approach that leverages the power of existing client satisfaction.

In a recent episode of the “Who’s Really the BOSS?” podcast, the Dillons share how this discovery transformed their growth strategy.

The Marketing Paradox

For most accounting firms, finding new tax clients isn’t particularly challenging. “Have a working website and a working phone number. That’s about all you need to find new tax clients,” Rachel notes from her experience running a growing practice. But attracting high-value monthly recurring clients? That’s where things get complicated — and where traditional marketing approaches often fall short.

The challenge isn’t finding clients — it’s finding the right ones. As Marcus explains, “The services you offer, the persona you put out on your social media profiles and your website, and the relationship your ideal clients want to have with their CPA or team of advisors matters a lot.” This is especially true for firms seeking to build long-term advisory relationships rather than just handling annual tax compliance.

This complexity is amplified by today’s global marketplace. Traditional geographic limitations have dissolved, giving clients more options than ever before. “There are more options in the market today than ever,” Marcus notes, “thanks to a global workforce and global services, clients that were limited to a geographic area can work with people nationwide or worldwide.”

In this environment, simply “turning on marketing” — whether through social media, email campaigns, or other traditional channels — isn’t enough. Success requires multiple touchpoints with ideal clients and a deep understanding of how to build and maintain meaningful professional relationships. This realization led the Dillons to embark on a series of marketing experiments that ultimately transformed their approach to practice growth.

The $500,000 Marketing Education

Determined to grow their high-value client base, the Dillons invested in a series of increasingly ambitious marketing experiments. They began with outsourced marketing at $1,800 per month, which included social media management and drip email campaigns. Despite running for a full year and generating some initial meetings, this approach failed to convert a single new client.

Next came a more significant investment: an internal sales team. Over two years, the firm invested approximately $500,000 in a business development position and support staff. “We thought we had a process problem,” Marcus reflects, “We thought we needed a person who could be dynamic enough to sell whatever we wanted to our ideal client. And that doesn’t exist.”

The commission-based compensation structure created unexpected challenges. Sales team members, eager to close deals, sometimes brought in clients who weren’t an ideal fit for the firm’s service model. Within 18 months , many of these clients began to churn — a costly lesson in the importance of client-firm alignment.

Even a sophisticated lead generation service fell short. Rachel explains, “We offer high value and highly relational services. So an email back and forth, that’s not the type of client that’s signing up for the services we provide.”

These expensive experiments led to the realization that traditional marketing approaches, no matter how well-executed, couldn’t replicate the power of authentic relationships in attracting and retaining ideal clients.

The Relationship-First Revolution

After years of expensive marketing experiments, the Dillons discovered their most effective growth strategy hiding in plain sight. By focusing on serving existing clients exceptionally well and nurturing referral relationships, they’ve achieved remarkable results – meeting their annual goal of 18 new clients in just over ten months, with an average client value of $22,300.

This success stems from a fundamental shift in how they view marketing. Instead of chasing new prospects through digital channels, they’ve redirected their marketing budget toward relationship-building activities. As Marcus explains, “Some of the best marketing dollars may be spent taking your existing clients to lunch… let them invite somebody they like, because that’s more or less how you make these connections. They’ll probably invite people they’re close to who either own a similar business or hang out in the same circles.”

Today, much of Dillon Business Advisors’ growth comes from existing clients starting or acquiring additional businesses, along with referrals from people close to the firm who understand the value they provide. The results speak for themselves. Not only is the firm growing steadily, but it’s attracting exactly the kind of high-value, long-term clients they want to serve. It’s a powerful reminder that in professional services, the best marketing strategy might not look like marketing at all.

From Marketing to Relationships: The Path Forward

The Dillons’ journey from traditional marketing to relationship-focused growth offers valuable lessons for accounting firm owners. While the allure of “turning on marketing” is strong, their experience shows sustainable growth in professional services requires prioritizing deepening existing relationships over chasing new ones.

When trust and long-term relationships are essential, investing in existing client relationships and authentic community connections often yields better results than traditional marketing campaigns.

Listen to the complete episode of the “Who’s Really the BOSS?” podcast to hear the full discussion of the Dillons’ marketing journey, including detailed strategies for relationship-building, client entertainment budgeting, and specific examples of successful networking activities that generated high-value clients.

How a Red Chair is Transforming Client Relationships in Accounting

Blake Oliver · January 28, 2025 ·

In the conference room of a CPA firm, there’s a bright red chair—off-limits to employees. It’s reserved for clients, even if they’re not physically present. When the client can’t attend a meeting, the chair stays empty, yet serves as a vivid symbol: imagine the client is here, listening to every word. This approach to client-centric service cuts through the day-to-day grind and reminds everyone on the team that the client’s best interests must guide every decision.

On the Earmark Podcast, I spoke with Kyle Walters—Managing Director of Atlas Wealth Advisors and Partner at CPAs & Advisors—about the power of integrating wealth management with accounting services. Walters explained how his unique perspective as a longtime financial advisor, combined with the expertise of his CPA partners, opened the door to a more cohesive, future-focused experience for clients.

Why Integrate Wealth Management and Accounting?

Kyle Walters grew up in financial planning. For two decades, he helped families invest, save on taxes, and retire comfortably. But he noticed a common frustration: clients viewed their financial picture as disjointed. Their CPA was crunching past numbers and tax returns, while their financial advisor was projecting out into the future. Neither professional was fully aware of what the other was doing.

By bringing both wealth management and tax under one roof, Walters realized he could deliver a more seamless client experience. Rather than running in circles between two trusted advisors—one in the present and one in the future—the client can enjoy an integrated dialogue. In Kyle’s words: “If you can get your CPA, your financial advisor, and your client on the same call, you solve problems in five minutes that otherwise would drag on for weeks.”

Two Ongoing Relationships: CPA + Financial Advisor

When it comes to finances, most families or business owners consistently rely on two professionals:

A CPA or Tax Specialist – Focused on bookkeeping, tax returns, and making sure numbers are correct and on time.
A Financial Planner or Wealth Manager – Oriented toward helping people invest smarter, plan for retirement, and meet long-term goals.

Because these two experts often operate independently, the client must shuffle data and questions back and forth. Even little miscommunications can create confusion, missed deadlines, or unnecessary stress. The integrated model aims to remove the client from this “middleman” role. Whether it’s about a new business launch, a company sale, or an unexpected life event, a single cohesive team can handle both tax and wealth implications together.

A Fresh Perspective in the CPA Firm

Part of what makes Walters’s model so successful is that he’s not a CPA. Instead, he brings a financial advisor’s perspective to firm operations. CPAs traditionally focus on deadlines, precise data, and compliance. Financial advisors naturally explore client goals, family needs, and big-picture strategies. Together, these mindsets create a more robust decision-making process.

His journey to integrate services involved finding two CPA firm owners who shared his vision. They pooled resources, formed an entirely new firm, and established a culture where neither side worked in isolation. Now, the CPAs ensure the numbers are accurate and deadlines met, while Walters and his advisory team look forward—helping clients see how today’s financial decisions ripple into tomorrow.

The Power of the Red Chair

Early on, Walters noticed language in internal meetings that sometimes cast the client as an “obstacle”: “The client isn’t getting us their documents fast enough” or “The client doesn’t understand what we need.” To change the tone, he placed a bright red chair at the table, designated it for the client, and instructed the team to speak as if the client were right there—listening, seeing how they’re spoken about.

This seemingly small gesture fosters empathy. Team members are reminded clients don’t speak accounting jargon all day—if they knew how to gather every document perfectly, they wouldn’t need a CPA. They’re juggling businesses, families, and complexities. By imagining them in the red chair, the firm reframed their role from “client is a problem” to “client needs our help.”

Overcoming the Usual Pain Points

Walters regularly hears client feedback from both sides—the CPA perspective and the wealth management perspective. Three major pain points come up time and again:

Slow or Nonexistent Communication
Clients want speedy responses, or at least acknowledgment that their questions matter. Even a brief courtesy check-in can help them feel valued.

Inflexible Processes & Crunch Deadlines
Traditional accounting often revolves around one or two deadlines. Firms endure a stressful “rush to the finish,” leaving little bandwidth for deeper client conversations. Scheduling tax return preparation into monthly or quarterly cohorts can solve this. When clients understand that being “extended” won’t lead to penalties—and that it can mean better guidance throughout the year—most are happy to follow a more strategic timetable.

Disjointed Advice
A business owner selling their company doesn’t just need a properly filed return—they need a plan to handle the influx of cash, tax implications, and possibly a shift in personal goals. When multiple advisors operate in silos, misalignment and confusion can cost a client time and money.

Interestingly, small tax mistakes rarely drive clients away. They understand honest errors can be corrected. What they won’t tolerate is feeling unappreciated, being ignored, or left in the dark.

Delivering True Integration

Under an integrated model, advisory conversations flow naturally. For example, a client might hop on a Zoom call with their CPA and financial advisor at the same time to discuss mid-year tax estimates, projected income, and potential investment shifts. Instead of playing telephone, the client watches their two experts coordinate in real-time.

Year-round scheduling also adds a proactive structure:

Early in the year – Identify high-complexity clients or those who prefer timely filing, and complete the first batch of returns. Extend any clients not filed by April 15.
Middle of the year – Perform “pulse checks” on tax projections and investment performance. Complete the second batch of returns.
Later in the year – Finish up any open client returns.
End of the year – Engage in tax planning and forward-looking financial decisions. This is prime time for capturing deductions or shifting money before year-end.

By spreading out the busy season, both CPAs and advisors can provide the attention that clients crave.

Looking Ahead: AI and the Evolving Role of the Advisor

As technology advances—particularly artificial intelligence—routine accounting tasks like sorting transactions or populating tax forms will become more automated. Rather than viewing this as competition, forward-thinking professionals see AI as a powerful ally: It handles rote tasks so humans can focus on relationships, nuanced conversations, and strategic planning. The CPA or financial advisor of the future will be less about data entry and more about empathetic counsel.

Walters believes clients ultimately pay for clarity, confidence, and guidance. In this new landscape, the “trusted advisor” is the one who integrates all the moving parts of someone’s finances and helps them make better decisions. AI can help gather data, but the human element—like making someone feel heard or reflecting on their family goals—still belongs to the professionals.

A Single Seat for Service

Across the table sits that red chair—occupied or not—representing the heartbeat of a firm that puts the client first. By merging wealth management and tax expertise, firms create a single seat where every financial question can land. The result? Less confusion, fewer missed opportunities, and a client who genuinely feels they have a team working together for their benefit.

Want to hear more? Listen to the full discussion on the Earmark Podcast, where Kyle Walters delves deeper into his integrated approach, shares the motivation behind the red chair, and explains how proactive scheduling can transform the busy season from a burden to a strategic advantage.

Building a Successful International Tax Practice: Lessons from Japan

Blake Oliver · January 28, 2025 ·

Nearing his 30th birthday, California CPA and former English teacher Eric Azevedo found himself at a career crossroads. Having spent years in rural Japan teaching English, he longed for a profession with greater stability and higher earning potential. Rather than pursuing law school as he once planned—or even a career in software—Eric ultimately chose accounting. Little did he know that studying at California community colleges for the CPA Exam would pave the way for a thriving international tax practice serving American expatriates across Japan.

In a recent interview on the Earmark Podcast, Eric opened up about his unique journey from philosophy major to accounting professional, revealing the practical realities of working in a different culture and navigating complex dual-tax systems.

From Santa Monica College to Tokyo: A Career-Changer’s Leap

Eric’s decision to become a CPA began when he returned to California after several years in Japan. Enrolling at Santa Monica College and Irvine Valley College, he completed the accounting courses required to sit for the CPA Exam—often taking advantage of online classes to balance work and study. Within about four years of taking his very first accounting class, Eric earned his license.

Opportunity knocked almost immediately: a single Skype interview led to a job offer at a Tokyo-based firm. Eric moved back to Japan on short notice, eager to gain experience in both U.S. and Japanese tax systems.

Bridging Two Tax Systems—And Two Cultures

Once in Tokyo, Eric encountered very different tax structures.

The United States is one of only two countries in the world—alongside Eritrea—with a citizenship-based tax system. Americans living in Japan must still file U.S. tax returns, including complex forms like 5471 (for owners of foreign companies) and FBAR (for foreign bank accounts over $10,000). Meanwhile, most Japanese rarely file returns at all—employers handle year-end payroll adjustments.

Understanding these differences—and guiding clients through them—is now Eric’s specialty.

Cultivating Cultural Fluency

Eric says that in Japan, communication styles tend to be less direct. Understanding when and how to speak up can determine whether a meeting proceeds smoothly or grinds to a halt.

Audits tend to be less adversarial. Eric says, “If you push too hard, you risk prolonging the process. It’s about staying polite and finding a solution.” This contrasts with the more confrontational style some CPAs experience in U.S. audits.

“I’m basically the only American in the office,” Eric says. “We have staff from Korea, China, the Philippines—all with a focus on serving foreign residents. It’s important to adapt culturally to make clients comfortable.” (Since our interview, Eric’s firm has added another US accountant to the team.)

Regarding the work culture, Eric’s firm’s founder intentionally avoided “salaryman” traditions of endless overtime and obligatory after-work gatherings, making the environment more appealing to foreign hires.

Life in Rural Japan: Remote Work, Bullet Trains, and Big Windows

After eight years in Tokyo, Eric relocated to the countryside. He now works as a contract employee for his old firm while also handling his own U.S. tax clients. Living among forests and mountains, he’s built a home office full of natural light—complete with high-speed internet that makes remote work seamless.

Commute: Eric travels to Tokyo twice a month, taking a 70-minute ride on the bullet train.
Daily Routine: A self-described “not super early riser,” Eric starts his workday around 9 or 10 a.m., relying on video calls and remote access to firm software.
Nature & Wildlife: Bears and wild boars roam nearby—quite a change from Eric’s Tokyo apartment.
Cultural Hobbies: Weekends are reserved for hobbies and relaxation; onsens (hot springs) are among Eric’s favorite escapes.

Fees, Growth, and Training the Next Generation

Eric’s firm charges fixed fees aligned with client revenue, reflecting typical local practice. For his U.S. expat services, he charges per form but keeps fees moderate—aware that many expats must file only because of America’s unique rules.

Word of mouth has fueled steady growth. He’s now training a colleague—a Chinese national finishing her U.S. CPA credentials—to handle returns for more straightforward clients. This arrangement frees Eric for higher-complexity cases while positioning the practice for further expansion.

“I don’t advertise,” Eric explains. “Clients tend to find me through referrals. My challenge is managing time and figuring out how to scale.”

Advice for Prospective Expat CPAs

For aspiring accountants who are interested in working abroad, Eric’s journey serves as a valuable guide:

Focus on Fundamentals First: Attaining a U.S. CPA license can be done flexibly through community college coursework and exam prep—even if you’re overseas.
Leverage Your Language Skills: Fluency in the local language is invaluable. Eric’s Japanese helped him land work in Tokyo more easily.
Adapt to Local Norms: Understand that professional etiquette, social expectations, and communication styles vary greatly. Listen first, then speak.
Stay Open to Opportunity: Eric’s entire career launched from one Skype call and a willingness to move back to Japan on short notice.

Making the Most of Japan: Travel Tips

Whether you plan to work in Japan or just visit, Eric recommends:

Tokyo: An endless array of districts, restaurants, and cultural sites.
Historic Towns: Kurashiki in Okayama Prefecture offers a glimpse into samurai-era architecture.
Onsen Retreats: For a restorative experience, explore hot spring destinations off the beaten path.
Autumn Visits: Fall foliage in rural Japan rivals any scenic backdrop, and cooler weather makes the onsen even more inviting.

Conclusion: Merging Cultures, Mastering Tax

Eric Azevedo’s journey proves that building a successful international tax practice requires more than technical knowledge. Cultural competence, flexible communication, and a willingness to adapt to new ways of doing business are critical. In navigating both U.S. expat tax complexities and Japan’s distinct work culture, Eric shows how melding two worlds can create a uniquely rewarding career path.

To hear Eric’s full story listen to his interview on the Earmark Podcast.

Finders, Minders, and Grinders: Unlocking Your Accounting Firm’s Potential

Earmark Team · January 27, 2025 ·

Every accounting professional knows the dilemma: you’re expected to handle complex client relationships, ensure top-notch technical work, and juggle operational tasks—all at once. This all-in-one approach often leads to burnout, stunted growth, and high turnover.

Enter the “Finders, Minders, and Grinders” framework, a well-known model in professional services.

During a recent webinar, Mark Ferris of Panalitix explained how aligning each person’s natural personality with the right role can transform your practice. Instead of forcing everyone to “do it all,” you identify and empower:

Finders (relationship builders who generate new business),
Minders (managers who oversee processes and teams),
Grinders (technical experts who dive into the detailed work).

By putting people where they naturally excel, you reduce inefficiency, nurture talent, and build a more resilient firm. Below, we’ll explore how to apply this framework to create an environment where team members thrive, clients receive the best service possible, and your business can scale sustainably.

Why Matching Personalities and Roles Matters

When people consistently act against their natural inclinations, they burn out quickly. “If we act contrary to our natural inclination—our personality—it takes quite a lot of effort,” Mark Ferris explains. “That is tiring, and it’s not something we can keep up forever.”

Many traditional accounting practices mistakenly assume everyone can (and should) wear multiple hats equally well—reviewing hundreds of returns, leading team meetings, chasing new clients, and more. While some staffers can manage briefly, over time, misalignment in roles leads to errors, missed deadlines, and unhappy team members.

Skills vs. Personality: It’s crucial to separate learned skills (e.g., mastering new accounting software) from the deeper personality traits (e.g., being comfortable with negotiation or thriving in a structured environment). People can gain new technical skills, but asking a naturally reserved, detail-oriented accountant to spend most of their time selling may not succeed in the long run.

The Three Roles: A Balanced Trio

Successfully running an accounting firm means tapping into three core roles, each with distinct personality traits that maximize productivity and satisfaction.

Grinders

Focus on technical tasks like preparing returns, bookkeeping, complex compliance, or advisory projects.
Excel with structure and detailed rules, working methodically to ensure accuracy and timeliness.
Often patient, diligent, and prefer minimal distractions when completing high-stakes work.

Minders

Oversee operations, manage workflow, and coach the team.
Share some qualities with Grinders—organized and detail-oriented—but also display strong people-management skills, diplomacy, and warmth.
Handle scheduling, capacity planning, and progress checks, ensuring that deadlines, quality standards, and budgets are met.

Finders

Excel at building relationships—both with current clients (for retention and upselling) and potential clients (for growth).
Socially confident, comfortable with change, and willing to engage in negotiations or tackle conflict head-on.
Key drivers of new business, strategic partnerships, and revenue expansion.

When these three roles blend smoothly, an accounting practice functions like a well-oiled machine: technical work is done right and on time, the team runs efficiently, and new business opportunities consistently flow in.

Putting the Framework into Practice: A Real-World Example

Mark Ferris illustrates how to structure an accounting firm around these roles, ensuring each group can handle about $1 million in annual fees before you replicate the model.

Production Team (Grinders)

Bookkeepers, accountants, or tax specialists focus on client work.
Supported by a Production Manager (Minder), who handles capacity planning, scheduling, and quality control.
A Senior Client Manager (Finder) focuses on nurturing client relationships, resolving issues, and spotting upsell opportunities.

Clear Role Distinctions

Administrative staff (e.g., office manager, client service coordinator) handles day-to-day tasks like data collection, engagement letters, or invoicing.
Each Production Team is shielded from distractions, so Grinders can do technical work, Minders can improve processes, and Finders can build strong client relationships.

Career Path Alignment

Team members see exactly how they could progress: a skilled Grinder with strong interpersonal skills might train to become a Finder; a Grinder who loves organizing and leading might transition into a Minder role.
Owners can also step into the role that suits them best—whether that’s business development (Finder) or operational leadership (Minder)—and delegate the rest.

With this structure, hitting $1 million in fees signals the formation of a second production group with its own Finder, Minder, and Grinders. This model avoids an unwieldy top-heavy partnership structure and instead grows in self-sufficient, scalable “pods.” As Mark notes, clearly showing these pathways and roles is critical for recruitment and retention—two huge pain points for many firms.

Taking a Business-Minded Approach

A crucial takeaway is to run your practice like a business:

Track Productivity: Understand how much of your Grinders’ time is billable, and ensure Minders have enough oversight bandwidth. Finders may have less billable work but drive overall firm revenue and strategic direction.
Measure Results: Regularly review profitability at the production-team level. Look for ways to optimize workflow, rebalance roles, or adjust pricing.
Plan for Growth: Once a team reaches capacity, replicate the structure. No need to weigh down the firm with too many partners at the top.

Self-Reflection for Leaders and Owners

Even if you’ve been “doing it all” for decades, it pays to pause and consider which responsibilities bring you the most satisfaction. You might discover you prefer Finder tasks—nurturing client relationships—while leaving day-to-day management to a dedicated Minder. Or maybe you truly enjoy the technical depth of the work (Grinder) but feel forced into too many sales meetings.

Realigning your own role can be transformational: you get to focus on what you do best, and you build a leadership team that covers every dimension of the business.

Additional Resources to Guide Your Transformation

Panalitix LearningHub: Mark Ferris’s organization offers a wide range of tools, templates, and short courses to help you implement the Finders, Minders, Grinders structure. You’ll find interview questions to hire the right personality type, training modules on capacity planning, and resources on workflow optimization.
Coaching & Mentoring: For firms wanting deeper guidance, Panalitix provides group coaching, one-on-one sessions, and specialized projects.
Free Webinar Replays: You can watch recordings (like the one linked above) for more detailed discussions of productivity tracking, org-chart design, and incentivizing your team.

The Path to a More Resilient Firm

Adopting the “Finders, Minders, and Grinders” model is about more than a neat organizational chart—it’s a mindset shift toward placing people where their talents shine. The result? More engaged employees, a better client experience, and an accounting practice that can grow without sacrificing service quality.

Whether you’re a solo practitioner looking to hire your first employee or a mid-sized firm aiming to double revenue, the framework helps you avoid the burnout trap and keeps your team energized. In an industry where talent is scarce and client expectations keep rising, this approach could be your edge.

Ready to dive deeper? Watch Mark Ferris’s full webinar replay to gain practical tips on structuring your teams, setting productivity targets, and charting clear career paths. Embrace this powerful framework, and set your accounting firm on a path to enduring success.