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This CPA Firm Grew to $1 Million by Saying No to Most Clients

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When Nick Liguori, CPA started his accounting firm at the beginning of 2020, he had modest goals. “I figured if I can add a few more clients and build it up a little bit, that would work fine,” he tells Rachel Dillon, host of Who’s Really the Boss? podcast. “I’d hopefully make enough money to pay the mortgage and make ends meet.”

Five years later, his New Hampshire-based firm, Liguori Accounting, has seven employees and just under $1 million in annual revenue. The transformation didn’t come from working longer hours or taking on every client who walked through the door. Instead, Nick discovered the power of focusing on one specific industry: medical aesthetics and med spas.

From Side Hustle to Specialized Practice

Nick’s path to firm ownership wasn’t typical. After starting his career at a mid-size regional firm and then moving to a smaller practice focused on small businesses, he spent time in industry working for a publicly traded company. During those corporate years, he began taking on tax and bookkeeping clients on the side.

“After a little while of doing that, it got to the point where I couldn’t balance both things anymore,” Nick explains. He made the leap to full-time practice right as 2020 began, just before the pandemic changed everything. In some ways, the timing worked in his favor. “I was setting everything up virtually and remote anyway,” he says. “So COVID-19 obviously forced that on everybody. In some ways I got a little bit of a head start.”

For over a year, Nick worked solo. Then, about two years in, a referral changed everything. A local med spa needed help with outsourced accounting, tax, and advisory work. The fit was perfect.

Discovering the Perfect Niche

“A lot of the med spa owners that we work with are obviously medical professionals. That’s their area of expertise,” Nick explains. “But they’re not necessarily financially minded or that’s not their strength. So we provide a lot of value there, helping them navigate the financial aspect of their business.”

That first med spa client led to referrals, which led to more referrals. The firm got involved with local associations. “That was the first stepping stone into taking it to a much bigger audience—more med spas across the country,” Nick says.

Two years ago, the firm decided to focus exclusively on med spas. It wasn’t easy. “We had an existing client base that were not all med spas,” Nick admits. “So it was a little scary to say, okay, now we’re only going to focus on med spas.”

The transition meant letting go of clients who no longer fit. “We’ve definitely lost a lot of those clients. Some have just churned out naturally and some we’ve let go because they really weren’t a good fit for the services we provide now.” But Nick sees it as progress. “Each year when I look back, we’re a step forward in the right direction.”

Marketing Where Your Clients Already Are

Once the firm committed to the med spa niche, marketing became much more targeted and measurable. “What’s been most successful is getting in the industry spaces where the owners are hanging out,” Nick says.

Conferences became a primary strategy, though the investment felt risky at first. “Getting into it for the first time was a little bit scary because it’s a big investment,” Nick admits. Conference booths typically cost between $3,000 and $5,000, with some running as high as $10,000.

But the returns justified the expense. “We went to one last November and came away with two or three new clients,” Nick reports. “When you think about it from an ROI standpoint, if you’re getting a monthly client for an event that costs you $5,000, it pays for itself.”

Beyond conferences, the firm appears on industry podcasts and webinars targeted at med spa owners. They work with the New Hampshire Association for med spas, which started just a few years ago. “We’ve worked with them from the beginning,” Nick says. “There’s a much lower cost of entry when it’s local.”

The firm now focuses on getting speaking opportunities at conferences rather than just booth space. “That’s where you get the most exposure and probably the best opportunities,” Nick explains. “People can come and go. And depending on where you’re set up in the conference center, you may not get great activity.”

Building Systems That Scale

Specializing in one industry created unexpected operational benefits. “Once you learn a few med spa clients, now you sort of know where the potential issues lie,” Nick says. “It’s probably inventory. Are their sales broken out properly? Is there equipment broken out on the balance sheet? We know where the problems tend to be.”

This predictability transformed their onboarding process. What originally had no timeline became a 60-day process, then shortened to just 30 days. The firm built templates in Keeper (now Double), its practice management software, sends comprehensive checklists to clients, and schedules three strategic meetings throughout the onboarding period.

“We always try to schedule the next meeting before the end of the current meeting,” Nick shares. “So it’s on the calendar. They’ve committed to a time that works in their schedule.”

The firm adopted the Team of Three structure about a year ago. With three bookkeepers, two managers, and Nick as the CFO, everyone has clear responsibilities. “There’s no confusion,” Nick says. “Everyone knows what they’re responsible for.”

Training new team members became easier too. “Once you’ve worked on this client, the next client is going to be very similar,” Nick explains. The firm relies on shadowing and screen recordings for training. As Rachel notes, “When people are limited on capacity or availability, shadowing is always great. We just always try to record.”

The Price of Expertise

Perhaps the most dramatic change has been in pricing. “My original packages were $200 a month for bookkeeping and $500 for CFO support,” Nick recalls. Today, the firm offers three tiers:

  • Bronze (bookkeeping only): $800/month
  • Silver (bookkeeping + quarterly tax planning/CFO): $1,200-1,500/month
  • Gold (bookkeeping + monthly tax planning/CFO): $2,000+/month

Most clients choose the silver tier. “That’s where we have the most interest, especially with med spas, because that tax planning piece is really beneficial,” Nick explains.

The firm also charges substantial onboarding fees: $3,000 for bronze tier, $5,000 for silver or gold. When prospects push back, they might offer to split the fee into two or three payments, but rarely discount.

Higher prices actually improved client quality. “You avoid some of the clients that are just price shopping and really don’t value what you’re doing,” Nick notes. The clients who seek out industry specialists understand they’re paying for expertise.

Lessons from the Journey

Looking back, Nick wishes he’d been more intentional from the start. “I started my firm without a big picture plan in mind,” he admits. “I wish I had set up processes, set up our service offerings at the beginning before starting, rather than trying to figure it out on the fly.”

Pricing confidence took time to develop. “We really didn’t get our pricing to a place that was solid for probably a couple of years,” Nick says. “Knowing the value you provide and being confident as you’re selling—that was a big thing for me.”

The past year has been one of regrouping after team and client transitions. “We’ve put a lot of effort into building the team, getting our processes down really well, and streamlining onboarding,” Nick explains. “We’re doing our best to set ourselves up for that next phase of growth.”

Working with an advisor through Collective by DBA has helped navigate these changes. “Having that sounding board and someone who has seen a lot of different firms at a lot of different stages has given us a really good perspective,” Nick shares. “It’s easy to feel a little bit isolated, especially with these bigger picture decisions.”

The Power of Focus

Nick’s journey demonstrates that specialization doesn’t limit opportunity—it creates it. By focusing exclusively on med spas, his firm can:

  • Market directly to a defined audience with measurable ROI
  • Onboard clients in half the time it used to take
  • Train team members more efficiently
  • Command premium pricing for specialized expertise
  • Better plan capacity

“Having that industry focus makes it a lot easier to say no to the clients that are not ideal,” Nick says. “And a lot easier to identify clients that are going to be a good fit.”

For accounting professionals considering specialization, Nick’s advice echoes what his father taught him in the family conveyor belt business: “Measure twice, cut once.” Think through the decision from multiple angles. Research your chosen niche thoroughly. But once you commit, the benefits compound with each new client you serve.

The firm now limits itself to onboarding just two new clients per month—not because they can’t handle more, but because they know exactly what it takes to deliver exceptional service. That’s the confidence that comes from knowing your niche inside and out.

Want to hear more about Nick’s journey and get detailed insights into building a specialized accounting practice? Listen to the full episode of Who’s Really the Boss?, where Rachel and Nick dive deeper into the specific strategies, challenges, and victories of transitioning from generalist to specialist.

Rachel and Marcus Dillon, CPA, own a Texas-based, remote client accounting and advisory services firm, Dillon Business Advisors, with a team of 15 professionals. Their latest organization, Collective by DBA, supports and guides accounting firm owners and leaders with firm resources, education, and operational strategy through community, groups, and one-on-one advisory.

From Stuck to Strategic: How Top CPA Firms Break Free from Endless Problem Loops

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Picture a CPA firm owner sitting across from the same colleague at the same conference, one year later, complaining about the exact same problems: the same staffing issues, same client complaints, and same technology frustrations. Marcus Dillon sees this scene too often, and it breaks his heart. “One of the most disappointing things to me,” he shares on the latest episode of Who’s Really the Boss?, “is whenever you have a conversation with somebody a year later and they’re in the same exact place they were when you previously talked to them.”

But in a packed ballroom at Hotel Vin in Grapevine, Texas, 105 accounting professionals gathered this October to make sure they’d never be that person stuck in an endless loop of unaddressed challenges. Over two and a half days in October 2025, firm owners, leaders, and carefully selected team members came together for Gather 2025, an event that offered CPE credits but delivered something far more valuable than continuing education.

About two-thirds of attendees were firm owners and leaders, while the remaining third were team members positioned to create ripple effects back in their firms. “You want to bring a team member who can learn and take part in table discussions, but then also take what they’ve heard and learned back to others on your team,” Marcus explained.

From Growth to Excellence: A New Chapter in Leadership

After a year focused on “the goal is growth, not comfort,” Marcus introduced a new rally cry for 2026 that signals a shift in how successful firms approach leadership: “Lead Change, Create Impact.” This evolution is more than a tagline change; it marks a maturity in thinking about what drives firm success.

“We’ve had a very large growth year,” Marcus reflects. “We added a couple of director level positions, did a couple of acquisitions, and continue to grow Collective by DBA very intentionally. So now we’re going into a season of refinement and then excellence.”

This natural progression, from growth to refinement and excellence, mirrors a cycle that successful firms navigate intentionally. But growth isn’t just about numbers. As Rachel emphasizes, when they adopted their previous rally cry, “We’re really thinking about growth personally and professionally, of what does it look like to delegate to someone else? What does it look like to upskill and learn that next new thing, or say yes to something we don’t feel we have the skill set for?”

Rachel shares a particularly striking insight she heard recently from author Ruth Chou Simons, “You don’t have to be blooming to be growing.” Sometimes the most critical development happens underground, in the roots and foundation of a firm’s culture. These invisible victories, such as saying no to wrong opportunities, developing team members’ skills, or refining internal processes, often matter more than year-end revenue numbers.

The data from Gather 2025 validates this approach. While participating firms showed revenue increases, the standout statistic was a 10% decrease in owner production hours. For an industry where firm owners routinely work 2,000+ hours annually in production, this reduction shows genuine progress. As Marcus points out, this matters enormously for succession planning. “If there was a firm owner working over 2000 hours per year, as a buyer, you probably have to hire two people to replace that outgoing owner.”

The Four P’s Framework: Your Roadmap Through Change

Change doesn’t fail because people resist it, but because leaders haven’t provided the clarity teams need to embrace it. The Four P’s Framework, which Marcus discovered through his C12 leadership group, transforms vague announcements into actionable roadmaps.

“We used to talk about change and how we communicate change to the team,” Marcus recalls. The standard three questions (What’s changing? What’s staying the same? How does this impact me?) weren’t enough. The Four P’s provide a complete structure:

  • Purpose answers “Why are we changing?” But “the lens that you answer that question through should be your mission, vision and values,” Marcus emphasizes. “You’re not changing your mission vision values based on a change. You’re seeing the change through the lens of those mission vision values.”
  • Picture addresses “What does success look like?” Marcus admits this is his personal weakness. “You have to paint a great picture of what it looks like on the other side of this change and what it looks like going through this change.” Teams need to visualize both the journey and the destination.
  • Plan tackles “How do we get there?” This includes specific milestones. “You’ll know when you’re 20%, 50%, or 80% there and you can celebrate and then maybe push or sprint to that next threshold,” Marcus explains.
  • Part clarifies “What is my role?” This component “helps foster ownership, provide clarity” by making it crystal clear how each person contributes.

The framework came to life during DBA’s recent acquisitions. Purpose aligned with their mission of “impacting others and creating a great place to work.” Picture showed “a fully integrated team under one brand, serving very similar clients in very similar ways.” Plan mapped out specific 30-day and 90-day milestones. And each team member received a clearly defined part. Some continued with existing clients, others mentor new colleagues, and  others take ownership of new relationships.

Rachel’s reflection provides crucial context. “We have not always done it this way. We communicated the change, but rarely thought through all four parts.” The difference is dramatic. “You as the leader will not be in it on your own, trying to drag people along,” she notes. “You will have people who step into their role and know what it looks like to be successful.”

Solving Problems Together: The Power of Collective Intelligence

While firm owners tackled KPIs and succession planning in one room, team members gathered in another for a revolutionary session called “Borrow a Brain, Share a Solution.” With over 24 anonymously-submitted real firm challenges, participants tackled everything from lead generation to remote team connectivity to AI adoption.

“Even staff members had great ideas for lead generation,” Rachel observes. “It’s not always up to the leader to solve every challenge in the firm.”

The structured approach went beyond brainstorming. Teams identified questions needing answers, developed solutions, assigned implementation responsibilities, and specified necessary tools. They documented all frameworks and made them available through the Collective Community Resource Center, creating a permanent library of tested solutions for the 300+ team members now on the platform.

Angel Sabino, Jr., Dillon Business Advisor’s Director of Technology, demonstrated exactly how firms could build their own AI agents using Microsoft Copilot. “He built this AI agent for internal DBA team members to ask questions,” Marcus explains. “What’s our PTO policy look like? What firm holidays exist? What do I need to do to get this approved?” The agent pulls answers from the firm’s knowledge base, providing instant, accurate responses.

“He can also break it down into simple enough terms and pictures,” Rachel notes. This wasn’t about showcasing technology for its own sake, but solving the real challenge of making standard operating procedures accessible and useful.

The case study sessions added another dimension. Firm owners could submit data anonymously and pose specific questions to peers. Marcus calculated the value. “I did quick math. It was about $20,000 per hour in that room.” But the true value transcended hourly rates. It was about getting honest feedback from people who “truly care about you without having a vested interest.”

Putting It All Into Practice

The event’s structure reinforced its practical focus. After sessions on everything from KPIs to AI implementation, the final afternoon wasn’t filled with more presentations. Instead, teams and firm friends gathered to process what they’d learned and create action plans. “What did you hear? What are you going to work on?” became the guiding questions as DBA and Collective team members wove through conversations offering support.

The result? As one attendee shared with Rachel, “This is the first time I’m leaving feeling confident about what I’m going to do and not feeling overwhelmed and defeated that I’m not doing enough.”

Even the venue contributed to the experience. The Hotel Vin’s European-style food hall offered variety without leaving the building, while The Baked Bear ice cream truck (featuring customizable cookie ice cream sandwiches) provided a sweet networking opportunity in perfect October Texas weather.

Your Next Step Forward

For Collective by DBA members ready to continue this journey, Recharge 2026 awaits in Mexico (April 22-25) at an all-inclusive, adults-only Marriott resort. “We’re going international,” Rachel announces, promising two days of CPE, karaoke, collaborative dinners, and the option to extend your stay. Given that the group will occupy over 50% of the boutique hotel, spaces are limited.

But you don’t need to wait for an event to start implementing these insights. The frameworks, tools, and collaborative approaches shared at Gather 2025 offer immediate value for any firm ready to move beyond the cycle of unsolved problems.

Listen to Rachel and Marcus Dillon’s full conversation to discover how two leaders who’ve “been in this game since 2011” learned to stop dragging people through change and started leading them toward impact.

As Marcus reminds us, when you look back at your biggest wins, you won’t remember the change itself. You’ll remember the people who journeyed alongside you. The question is, will you be remembered as someone who helped others navigate change, or as someone who kept showing up with the same unsolved problems? The choice (and the tools to succeed) are yours.

Rachel and Marcus Dillon, CPA, own a Texas-based, remote client accounting and advisory services firm, Dillon Business Advisors, with a team of 15 professionals. Their latest organization, Collective by DBA, supports and guides accounting firm owners and leaders with firm resources, education, and operational strategy through community, groups, and one-on-one advisory.

This CPA Spent Five Years Modernizing His Firm Before Making a Move to Buy It

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In 2012, Tim Abbott walked into a Chicago accounting firm that still tracked tax returns on a clipboard. No electronic filing, no digital documents, just alphabetical lists checked off by hand. Eight years and one pandemic later, he owned that practice and another 40-year-old firm, and had transformed both into a thriving $2.4 million modern business while keeping nearly all their legacy clients.

In this episode of “Who’s Really the Boss?”, hosts Rachel and Marcus Dillon get Abbott’s story about acquiring and modernizing two multi-generational accounting firms in the Chicago suburbs. The journey involved a delicate balance between honoring tradition and driving innovation.

Starting With “No Is a Complete Sentence”

Abbott’s path to firm ownership began with an unexpected philosophy. “The best piece of advice I received,” Abbott shares, “is that no is a complete sentence.” This mantra guided his transformation of M.J. Vandenbroucke from a clipboard-based operation into a modern firm serving law offices, financial planners, and medical practices across the Chicago suburbs.

Abbott brought a fresh perspective to a firm frozen in time. With three daughters at home and a wife working as an elementary school nurse, he understood the importance of setting personal and professional boundaries. That discipline proved essential when navigating the complexities of modernizing practices that had operated the same way for decades.

The firm he joined in 2012 wasn’t broken; it was just stuck. With ten employees, many boasting 20 to 35 years of tenure, M.J. Vandenbroucke had successfully served clients since 1970. But success had bred complacency. The firm ran entity returns through UltraTax while processing individual returns in ProSeries, losing K-1 import capabilities. When Marcus Dillon learned about this setup, lost efficiencies immediately came to mind.

The Art of Incremental Change

Rather than shocking the system with sweeping reforms, Abbott orchestrated a deliberate five-year modernization plan. Each year from 2012 to 2017 brought one major improvement. Electronic filing replaced paper submissions. Digital file cabinets eliminated physical storage. Client portals opened new communication channels. Direct deposit streamlined payments.

“When you’ve been doing things largely the same way for 30 years, it can be challenging to change,” Abbott observed. His measured approach respected the staff’s experience and the clients’ expectations. This patience wasn’t passive; it was strategic.

Abbott received some invaluable advice about acquisitions: “Unless something is functioning horribly, don’t change anything you don’t have to” during the first year. By observing existing workflows and understanding why certain processes existed, he could distinguish between outdated habits and practices that genuinely served clients well.

This incremental approach delivered measurable results. Staff gradually embraced new technologies without feeling overwhelmed. Clients experienced improvements as enhancements rather than disruptions. Most importantly, the firm maintained its operational stability while building capacity for future growth. By 2017, Abbott was ready to acquire the practice, having proven that modernization didn’t require revolution.

When Coffee Leads to Acquisitions

Abbott’s second acquisition offers a lesson in professional serendipity. At a conference, he sat next to a CPA from New Jersey who mentioned knowing someone near Abbott’s Chicago office. “That casual breakfast conversation led to coffee meetings,” Abbott recalls, which evolved over two years into an acquisition agreement finalized in 2020, during the pandemic.

The 75-year-old owner of this second firm had no succession plan. Like M.J. Vandenbroucke, this practice had operated for nearly 40 years with established processes and long-term client relationships. Abbott acquired the business and moved the entire operation to their larger office space, merging two firms with a combined 90 years of history.

Both transitions followed a similar pattern, with previous owners staying on for approximately three years. The first owner planned to work through the 2020 tax season, but when COVID extended deadlines indefinitely, he decided to leave on June 30th. “If we don’t just rip the Band-Aid off, I’m going to be here forever,” he told Abbott.

The second owner maintained his full role for the first year, with Abbott sitting in on client meetings but not directly involved in work. Years two and three saw gradual transitions until Abbott hired a replacement CPA. This extended handoff was crucial for client retention.

Building Trust Through Continuity

Abbott presented the second acquisition as a “merger” rather than a takeover, maintaining all existing staff to ensure continuity. The messaging mattered. “There was actually a pretty big sense of relief that we had a continuity plan in place,” Abbott notes. Clients who had watched their CPA age into his seventies welcomed the security of younger leadership backed by familiar faces.

The human element proved crucial. When a bookkeeper has been working with a client for 22 years and stays through the transition, “there’s a lot of comfort there,” Abbott observed. This continuity helped maintain exceptionally high client retention rates through both acquisitions.

Not all relationships transferred smoothly, though. Referral sources—particularly those with personal connections to previous owners—were harder to retain than clients. “The owner’s friend, people he grew up with, high school buddies, fraternity friends, some of those don’t transfer very well, no matter how hard you try,” Abbott acknowledged.

Marcus Dillon confirmed this challenge from his own experience. “The referral sources who referred clients to the firm while it was owned by another CPA, some of those loyalties go away.” This means firms must activate new business development strategies to replace lost lead sources.

Discovering Hidden Challenges and Strengths

Post-acquisition discoveries revealed problems and unexpected assets. Abbott uncovered situations like clients receiving May financials in September because “they’re always late and we have to call three times.” Marcus Dillon shared similar experiences, noting how sellers suddenly reveal after closing which clients are “awful to work with.”

But Abbott also discovered the firm’s employees had an exceptional ability to explain complex concepts without condescension. “We’ve received several referrals from prospects who said, ‘so and so told me to call you, I need help. And they said you wouldn’t make me feel dumb.’” This skill became a cornerstone of the firm’s value proposition.

The firm’s recent website redesign reflects this evolution. Rather than hiding behind traditional industry opacity, Abbott chose radical transparency with published pricing. “We’re not out here to compete with anybody on price, but you have no reason to hide it.” The new site at mjvcpa.com has already generated upsells from existing clients who discovered services they didn’t know the firm offered.

The Power of Peer Connections

Throughout these transitions, Abbott credits peer relationships as essential to survival. “COVID was brutal for everybody,” he reflects. “I don’t know that I would still be here running a firm without just some of those relationships that got me through the tough times.”

His involvement in mastermind groups and communities like Collective by DBA provided crucial support. “Having the resources of other firm owners that have literally walked in your shoes and faced the same challenges, getting their perspective, wisdom, and advice has always been hugely beneficial to me.”

These connections even facilitated acquisitions within the group. Marcus Dillon recalled how a conversation with one mastermind member led to another acquisition for his firm. The lesson? Professional relationships often yield unexpected opportunities.

Building for the Next 50 Years

Today, M.J. Vandenbroucke employs 13 team members in a hybrid environment, with staff in the office one to four days per week and two fully remote employees. 

After years of integration work, they’ve finally standardized processes across both acquired firms. Goals have shifted from survival to optimization. The firm has the capacity to grow without adding headcount.

“When you take the right steps, generally the results follow,” Abbott reflects. His patient approach to building on established foundations while creating new value positions M.J. Vandenbroucke for another 50 years of service.

For accounting professionals considering acquisitions, Abbott’s experience offers valuable lessons. Respect the pace of change. Invest in extended transitions that transfer trust, not just client files. Honestly evaluate what deserves preservation versus transformation. And perhaps most importantly, remember that “no is a complete sentence,” because boundaries matter when managing complex transitions.

Listen to the full episode to discover Abbott’s specific strategies for managing resistant staff, navigating unexpected challenges, and building the critical peer relationships that make these transformations possible. With patience, respect, and strategic thinking, you can honor the past while building for the future.

Rachel and Marcus Dillon, CPA, own a Texas-based, remote client accounting and advisory services firm, Dillon Business Advisors, with a team of 20 professionals. Their latest organization, Collective by DBA, supports and guides accounting firm owners and leaders with firm resources, education, and operational strategy through community, groups, and one-on-one advisory.

Admitting You Don’t Know Everything Became This Young CPA’s Secret Weapon

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Picture this: You’re 26 years old with a newborn baby, eating rice and beans from a bulk bag because your accounting firm is three months away from bankruptcy. Your Excel budget calculation was catastrophically wrong, and you’re facing the reality that your entrepreneurial dream might be over before it really began.

That’s exactly where Nate Goodman found himself in 2022. He was staring at his wife across their kitchen table in Black Mountain, North Carolina, wondering if they’d bitten off more than they could chew. “I told my wife, ‘We tried it, I failed. We’re gonna have to eat rice and beans,’” Goodman recalls.

Fast-forward to today, and Goodman’s firm, Goodman CPAs, just closed 2024 with $1.7 million in annual revenue. His team of 12 professionals serves clients across the country, and he’s building toward a $2 million run rate.

His transformation from struggling bookkeeper to successful CPA firm owner didn’t happen because he suddenly became a better accountant. It happened because he discovered something many of us resist: admitting you don’t know everything can be your greatest competitive advantage.

In the latest episode of the Who’s Really the Boss? podcast, Goodman shares the raw details of his journey, including the pivotal moments when crisis became his catalyst for growth.

From Churches to CPAs: The Humble Beginning

Goodman’s story doesn’t start with grand business plans or venture capital. It starts with chickens, three young boys (ages 5, 4, and 2), and a simple desire to help churches with their bookkeeping while maintaining work-life balance.

In December 2019, fresh out of his MBA program, Goodman launched what he thought would be a small bookkeeping practice focused on churches. “I have some mentors doing this and only working  20 or 30 hours a week,” he explains.

But a conversation with Jim, an experienced CPA firm owner, changed everything. When Goodman pitched his church bookkeeping idea, Jim asked the hard question: “What are your credentials? Do you have any experience? Do you have any education?”

Goodman had an MBA but admitted to a limited accounting background. Jim’s response was direct: “Well, no one’s going to trust you if you don’t either have education or experience.”

Instead of getting defensive, Goodman chose to be teachable. Within a week, he re-enrolled in school for his accounting certificate so he could sit for the CPA exam. Jim sweetened the deal: complete a tax course, and he’d bring Goodman on as an intern for the 2020 tax season.

The Crisis That Changed Everything

By 2022, things looked promising on the surface. Goodman had purchased Jim’s practice (Jim was 85 at the time) and another practice through owner financing. But underneath, the numbers weren’t adding up.

The problem was embarrassingly simple and devastatingly expensive. Goodman had built his budget in Excel, but made a critical error. “I got the calculation wrong. My shareholder distributions were being added back to the cash,” he explains. “When I figured it out, I was like, oh, we only have like three months left, and we’re not going to make it to next tax season.”

The timing couldn’t have been worse. The CPA he’d hired was asking for more money than the firm simply couldn’t afford. “That was my first time terminating somebody. And that went very poorly,” Goodman admits.

That’s when the rice and beans period began. “We bought the big bulk bag of rice and did that whole thing to make it work,” he says. They were literally living on the most basic provisions while trying to save their struggling business.

But this rock-bottom moment became Goodman’s turning point. Instead of giving up, he finally discovered something that would transform his business: CPA communities and coaching groups.

“I did not even know that CPA communities existed, that there were other CPA owners out there that would share common knowledge. And so I was just going blind through 2022. And that was a very dark year for the business,” he reflects.

The transformation began in August 2022 when he found coaching groups that taught him proper pricing strategies and service delivery models. “I could price a 1040, but to price a CFO engagement or a bookkeeping engagement, I was just shooting from the hip and hoping for the best.”

The Systematic Turnaround

The results were immediate and dramatic. After implementing the new models and pricing strategies, Goodman’s firm grew from roughly $300,000 to $1.2 million in revenue in 2023—a nearly 300% increase in a single year.

Part of this growth came from strategic acquisitions. The acquired practices brought about $150,000 in revenue, and a third acquisition added $275,000. But the real growth came from transforming how they served existing clients.

“We were able to present to them, hey, instead of getting your financials once a year, what if we did your bookkeeping once a month, and you could make some more decisions? And what if we could save you $30,000 in taxes next year, and it’ll cost you a fraction of that, but it’s more than you’re paying now?” Goodman explains.

The firm also benefited from being the only CPA practice in Black Mountain. “We’re the only people here that can provide this service now,” Goodman notes, which helped with client retention during the transition.

Building Systems That Weather Storms (Literally)

By 2024, the firm had grown to 12 team members working in a hybrid model. Some work in the office, others are fully remote, and they even have team members in the Philippines. But their systems faced the ultimate test in September 2024 when Hurricane Helene hit.

“The eye of the storm went through our town,” Goodman explains. “About a 10th of a mile down from our house turned into a lake.” While their community was devastated, with power lines down and infrastructure destroyed, Goodman made a crucial decision.

“We’re like, well, we could take the server, take the networking equipment so people can VPN to the office, and we can set it up at my parents’ house in Roanoke, Virginia,” he recalls. “So we drove to Roanoke, plugged in the server, hooked it up to their internet, and then our team could work from my parents’ living room.”

This wasn’t just crisis management—it showed how the firm’s systems had evolved to handle unexpected challenges. The team maintained operations while their entire region struggled with basic utilities.

The Power of Peer Networks

Goodman’s discovery of peer communities happened almost by accident, but it became a game-changer for his business. During summer 2024, while mowing his lawn and trying to complete CPE requirements, he discovered he could listen to accounting podcasts instead of sitting through webinars.

“A friend of mine told me about Earmark to earn CPE with podcasts. I was like, ‘This is great. Now I don’t have to sit down for like a webinar or something,’” he explains.

That’s when he found the “Who’s Really the Boss?” podcast and heard discussions about fractional CFO services and team structures, and listening to the podcast helped him discover the team structure the firm needed to move toward. 

The remarkable part? His firm had just overhauled its structure two months earlier. But instead of sticking with something that wasn’t working, Goodman brought the new model to his leadership team with complete honesty. A willingness to abandon recent work in favor of proven systems accelerated their growth significantly.

Current Focus and Future Goals

Today, Goodman’s firm operates with metrics and systems that would impress much larger practices. Team members earn performance bonuses based on four specific metrics: maintaining accuracy above 90%, achieving client satisfaction scores of 90% or above, keeping client retention at 90% or above, and completing month-end closes by the 15th.

The firm also specializes in serving direct primary care practices—doctors who’ve left the traditional healthcare system for a subscription-based model. “We really believe in what they’re doing and the model they’re building. So we’re trying to be the great back office so they can focus on patient care,” Goodman explains.

They’ve even hired a dedicated salesperson with a compensation structure of $50,000 base plus 8% on collected revenue and 4% on first-year residuals. It’s a sophisticated operation for a firm that’s only five years old.

The firm’s current focus is on process optimization and AI implementation to help their team work more efficiently. Their goal? A 36-hour workweek with half-day Fridays while maintaining their growth trajectory toward $2.5 million in revenue.

The Lessons That Matter

Looking back, Goodman’s transformation offers clear lessons for other firm owners:

  • Be willing to admit what you don’t know. “I’ve been surprised at how many people are relatively open with what they’re doing and willing and wanting to help you and your development,” he reflects. “And so just asking the question, asking for a virtual coffee has been extremely helpful.”
  • Find your community. The isolation of trying to figure everything out alone nearly destroyed Goodman’s business. Once he found coaching groups and peer networks, his growth accelerated dramatically.
  • Implement proven systems rather than reinventing them. Goodman’s breakthrough came when he stopped trying to create everything from scratch and started following blueprints that other successful firms had already tested.
  • Stay teachable. When Goodman discovered the team-of-three structure just months after reorganizing his firm, he didn’t let pride prevent him from making another change. That flexibility to adapt has been crucial to his success.

At 29 years old, Goodman is quick to acknowledge he still has much to learn. “I love to learn from people who have been here and done that,” he says.

His advice to other young firm owners facing similar challenges is simple: “Don’t stress out so much. It will work out.” But pair that with action: seek mentorship, join communities, and be willing to admit when you need help.

Your Next Step

Goodman’s story offers insights into pricing strategies, team structures, acquisition approaches, and the systems that enabled his dramatic growth. If you’re ready to move beyond struggling alone and start leveraging the collective wisdom of successful practitioners, listen to his full interview on “Who’s Really the Boss?

Sometimes the difference between eating rice and beans and building a multi-million dollar firm isn’t what you know; it’s your willingness to learn from those who’ve already walked the path.

The crisis that could have ended Goodman’s entrepreneurial dreams became the foundation for extraordinary growth. Your current challenges might be setting the stage for your own breakthrough if you’re willing to be teachable enough to find it.

Rachel and Marcus Dillon, CPA, own a Texas-based, remote client accounting and advisory services firm, Dillon Business Advisors, with a team of 15 professionals. Their latest organization, Collective by DBA, supports and guides accounting firm owners and leaders with firm resources, education, and operational strategy through community, groups, and one-on-one advisory.

The Remote Team Retreat Strategy That Beats Software Upgrades Every Time

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Most CPA firm owners spend their improvement season updating software or tweaking processes. Rachel and Marcus Dillon are doing something different. They’re taking their entire 26-person remote team to Mexico for four days of relationship-building, goal-checking, and some serious fun in the sun.

The husband-and-wife team behind Dillon Business Advisors just shared their complete retreat strategy on their latest “Who’s Really the Boss?” podcast episode. Their approach reveals how treating team culture as business infrastructure—not just a nice-to-have—creates competitive advantages no software upgrade can match.

From Monthly Breakfasts to International Retreats

The Dillons didn’t always plan elaborate team getaways. When everyone worked in the same office, they kept things simple: bringing in lunch, organizing breakfast meetings, or grabbing dinner together. Even after going remote with a local team, monthly breakfast meetups worked well.

But as their team spread nationwide, those frequent touchpoints became impossible. Instead of giving up on team building, they made a strategic shift that many firm owners would never consider: two high-impact retreats per year.

The economics work better than you’d expect. Their domestic beach trip to Destin, Florida, last year cost significantly more than this year’s all-inclusive Mexico resort.

“The international all-inclusive option is actually a little more budget-friendly,” Marcus explains. Plus, team members won’t face surprise expenses for drinks and meals like they did in Florida.

This shift is about more than cost savings; it’s about recognizing that relationship building requires concentrated investment to generate meaningful returns.

Using Data to Build Better Relationships

The Dillons don’t plan retreats based on gut feelings. They treat team dynamics with the same analytical rigor they apply to financial planning.

Before finalizing their Mexico agenda, they surveyed their leadership team using Patrick Lencioni’s “Five Dysfunctions of a Team” assessment. The results revealed something important about high-performing teams: excellence in some areas can make weaker spots stand out more clearly.

Their team scored well across all five dysfunction categories—absence of trust, fear of conflict, lack of commitment, avoidance of accountability, and inattention to results. However, the assessment identified their two lowest-scoring areas: conflict avoidance and peer accountability. These weren’t crisis-level problems, just the next areas for improvement.

“When you refine something and it becomes really good, then the next friction point stands out just a little more because now the other areas are running so smoothly,” Rachel explains.

The assessment also came with ready-made solutions. “One really cool thing with that assessment, when it came back, they actually sent activities to try to help build the areas of weakness,” Rachel says. “We did not have to go out and search. We didn’t have to call our friend, ChatGPT, to help us come up with ideas.”

This systematic approach beats generic team building every time. But it requires a crucial commitment: following through on what you learn.

“The worst thing you can do is survey somebody or ask somebody their opinion and not do anything with it,” Marcus emphasizes.

The Mexico Agenda: Four Hours That Shape Six Months

The Dillons arrived in Isla Mujeres on a Thursday, then dedicated Friday morning to formal meetings. The rest of the trip focuses on culture, relationships, and fun. Still, those four hours of structured time drove real business improvements.

They started with celebrations and goal reviews. Marcus shared revenue numbers, client acquisition progress, and team updates. “We share revenue. We share where we’re at on track as far as the goals we’ve set,” he explains.

This transparency creates collective ownership of business outcomes. When team members understand exactly how their work contributes to the firm’s success, they make different decisions about client service and efficiency.

Next came “Turning Conflict into Connections,” their targeted response to the assessment results. Instead of hoping team members will naturally become more assertive, they created explicit permission for difficult conversations.

“Team meetings aren’t only for the leadership team to talk,” Rachel explains.

Angel, their director of technology, covered cell phone security protocols. Then they tackled something that could transform their client service: categorizing clients based on team experience rather than leadership assumptions.

“There are simple clients and complex clients, but there are also good complex clients,” Rachel says. The hypothesis: responsiveness matters more than technical complexity. “The complex clients who are responsive, who implement the advice and the strategies we give them, they’re not as hard to manage.”

They wrapped up with peer accountability training, moving beyond traditional top-down management to distribute leadership responsibility across the entire team.

Beyond the Meeting Room

The non-meeting activities included relationship-building exercises that translate into better workplace collaboration: water activities with paddleboarding and snorkeling, Mexican bingo (Loteria), and a team dinner where Marcus recognized each team member in front of their spouse or guest.

“It’s nice for families and friends to see the impact you have for all of the hours you spend away from them working,” Rachel says.

The trip concluded with karaoke, something they missed at their last retreat when the karaoke spot was too far from the hotel. This time, they brought karaoke to the team.

The Numbers Game

Taking 26 people across international borders, coordinating planes and boats to reach an island resort, and budgeting tens of thousands of dollars is a big investment, and it sends a clear message about how the Dillons value their team.

But the real return shows up in compound effects: reduced turnover, faster problem resolution, better client satisfaction, and the competitive advantage of having a team that genuinely enjoys working together.

While competitors debate software features or chase marketing trends, the Dillons are building human infrastructure that’s much harder to replicate. You can’t download better team communication or purchase improved conflict resolution skills.

Your Next Move

The Dillons prove that systematic investment in team relationships creates business advantages that technology alone cannot provide. Their transparent approach offers a roadmap for any firm owner ready to treat culture as seriously as revenue. The question isn’t whether you can afford to invest in team relationships; it’s whether you can afford not to.

Ready to hear their complete strategy? Listen to the full episode for their detailed retreat agenda, specific dysfunction-busting activities, and the real numbers behind their cultural investment approach. You’ll discover how they handle team transitions, their client categorization exercise, and why peer accountability might be the missing piece in your team dynamics.

Rachel and Marcus Dillon, CPA, own a Texas-based, remote client accounting and advisory services firm, Dillon Business Advisors, with a team of 15 professionals. Their latest organization, Collective by DBA, supports and guides accounting firm owners and leaders with firm resources, education, and operational strategy through community, groups, and one-on-one advisory.