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Stop Talking About Culture and Start Fixing These Three Problems

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“There’s nothing worse we can do for our people and our organizations than doing it the way we’ve always done it,” says Erin Daiber, CPA and founder of Well Balanced Accountants. In this episode of the Earmark Podcast, Daiber joins host Blake Oliver to tackle one of accounting’s biggest challenges: how to actually change firm culture instead of just talking about it.

From Big Four Burnout to Culture Coach

Daiber’s story starts with an ironic twist. When she entered business school, she told her parents she’d do “anything but accounting.” Yet a professor convinced her she was good at it, and at 19 or 20 years old, she took that advice to heart. “Being at that moldable stage, I thought, well, okay, I guess that’s what I need to do,” she recalls.

While she doesn’t regret her path, Daiber discovered a fundamental mismatch between her personality and the detailed work required at the staff and senior levels. “I’m not naturally detail oriented,” she admits. “I would get review notes back from my manager and the partners, and I just had nothing left to give. I really couldn’t care less about some of those details, as important as they may have been.”

What kept her going was the people. “I loved interacting with my colleagues on a day-to-day basis,” she explains. But when the managers she connected with left the firm, things unraveled. By the time she reached senior level—about three and a half years in—burnout had taken hold. “I was driving to work, looking at other people doing their jobs and thinking, gosh, that looks nice. Even the guys that were mowing the lawn on the side of the highway, I’m like, at least they get to be outdoors and breathing fresh air every day.”

After leaving for industry work that didn’t solve her problems, Daiber enrolled in a coach training program for self-discovery. Eventually, she found her way back to serving the accounting profession, but with a different mission: helping firms navigate the challenges that drove her away.

The Gap Between What We Say and What We Do

When discussing firm culture, Daiber cuts straight to the heart of the problem. “There’s often the one that we say we have, and then there’s the one that we actually have,” she states. Culture isn’t about the values on your website, it’s about “the values we live by, the behaviors that show up and are accepted and tolerated and encouraged inside of a firm.”

She shares an exercise from her firm retreats: projecting the firm’s stated values on a slide without commentary. “Oftentimes they don’t recognize them because they are not living those values every single day,” she observes. These values become “almost a mythical thing out there that we’re working towards, but not very intentionally.”

To expose this disconnect, Daiber challenges firms with a thought experiment: “If I was observing your organization from the outside in and could hear and see what’s going on, what would I say your values are? Is it profit first? Is it billable hour is king?”

Oliver agrees, sharing his preference for honesty over hypocrisy. “I would almost prefer it if the firms that are not people-first were just open about it,” he says, comparing it to Wall Street investment banks that make no pretense about prioritizing profits. “At least that’s honest.”

What Keeps Firms Stuck in Old Patterns

The conversation reveals three main forces preventing real culture change in accounting firms.

First is the scarcity mindset that infects decision-making. Oliver openly shares his struggle with saying yes to too many speaking engagements, even though he knows it prevents him from focusing on long-term goals and family time. “I say yes to these things, even though I shouldn’t, I know I shouldn’t, but then I do it anyway,” he admits.

Daiber sees the same pattern with client acceptance. She walks firm owners through their fears. “Usually within five or six steps we can get a firm owner to, well, we’ll be bankrupt. We won’t exist anymore.” The reality? “They’re so far away from that, that’s not really going to happen.”

Second is the resistance to change itself. “When I hear of firms that say, ‘we’re just doing it the way we’ve always done it,’ that is like Kryptonite,” Daiber emphasizes. “Nothing in the world is the same as it was even five years ago. How can you justify not changing how you’ve done things and how you’re serving your clients?”

Third is simple busyness. “As soon as we step back into our day-to-day, there is an almost insurmountable inertia that keeps you in that sway of busyness,” Daiber explains. Without creating what she calls “white space” in the day, there’s no capacity to implement changes.

The conversation also touches on structural problems like billable hours (“every hour is not created equal”) and micromanagement that develops when leaders lack diverse management tools. As Daiber notes about micromanaging leaders, “They actually don’t have to take responsibility for it, because you’re going to check in with them all the time.”

Making Change Actually Happen

Moving from theory to practice requires specific actions and uncomfortable decisions. Here’s what Daiber recommends:

Start by saying no

This includes “cleaning up your own mess” by transitioning out clients who don’t align with your values. “Finish out your term of working with that client, but let them know we’re not going to continue,” Daiber advises. Firms need what she calls a “red velvet rope policy” that only accepts clients who “treat our people with respect, value our services, and are willing to pay.”

Create structural changes that force new behaviors

One firm Daiber mentions implemented mental health days with a twist. “If you said, I’m taking a mental health day and anyone was caught making a request of that person on that day, they were the ones in trouble.” Oliver suggests an even more radical experiment: turning off firm email during certain weekend hours.

Build real accountability

“The firms that are really successful with this are willing to call each other out in a respectful way,” Daiber states. This means partners holding each other to commitments. “Hey, that was one of the things we said we were going to not do. Let’s fix that going forward.”

Show genuine appreciation

This goes beyond generic praise. “Catching people doing a good job is so simple. It’s free,” Daiber notes. But it also means “checking in on someone, not just about their progress on a task. How are they feeling? Do they feel like they’ve grown?”

Exit interviews reveal what happens without genuine appreciation. People say, “I don’t feel like I’m a valuable or valued member of the team. No one’s training me. No one’s taking me under their wing,” Daiber shares. “I’m going to go somewhere where I feel like somebody cares about my development.”

Most importantly, leaders must model the values they claim. “Encourage them to take time off and unplug during their time off, don’t email them on the weekend,” Daiber emphasizes. “All of those things that we wish people would do for us, we need to do for them.”

The Choice Every Firm Must Make

As the conversation wraps up, both Oliver and Daiber acknowledge that changing firm culture isn’t mysterious; it’s just uncomfortable. It requires letting go of profitable but problematic clients, breaking long-held habits, and having difficult conversations with colleagues.

“We have to start creating a culture of ownership and responsibility,” Daiber explains. But this can’t happen while clinging to old metrics and methods. Each leader must take personal responsibility for “working through their own blocks and concerns or scarcity or fears around letting go of this old way of doing things.”

The accounting profession faces a clear choice: continue losing talented people to outdated practices and fear-based management, or do the hard work of aligning daily operations with stated values. As Daiber’s own journey shows, when good accountants leave the profession entirely, everyone loses.

Listen to the full episode to hear more about Daiber’s framework for culture transformation, including additional exercises for exposing true firm values and strategies for breaking the micromanagement cycle. Whether you’re a partner watching good people leave, a manager caught between competing demands, or staff wondering if change is possible, the conversation offers a practical roadmap for moving from culture as concept to culture as daily experience.

The Math Is Brutal: Every CPA Must Triple Their Productivity by 2035 or Face Professional Extinction

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“When you chart out demand versus supply of people over time, what that math tells you is that ten years from now, 2035, every CPA in the profession will have to be 2.7 times more productive on a revenue per employee basis than they are today. That is crazy.”

David Wurtzbacher shared this projection on a recent episode of the Earmark Podcast. As the founder and CEO of Ascend, a private equity-backed platform that’s completed over three dozen firm acquisitions in just over two years, Wurtzbacher offers an outsider’s perspective on the profession.

His background scaling Lightwave Dental from 7 to 80 locations taught him how private equity can either destroy professional cultures or transform them for the better. Now he’s applying those lessons to accounting, where the numbers paint a sobering picture: demand for services keeps climbing while fewer people enter the profession each year.

To put this in perspective, a typical well-performing firm today generates around $200,000 in revenue per employee. Wurtzbacher’s projection means that number needs to approach $600,000 per person within a decade. Even scarier? By 2035, roughly 85% of the profession will consist of people with ten years or less of experience in an industry where most say you can’t even make partner in that timeframe.

But Wurtzbacher isn’t just highlighting the problem. Through Ascend’s model of preserving firm independence while providing enterprise-scale resources, he’s showing how firms can achieve these seemingly impossible productivity gains through three key transformations.

The Leadership Evolution: From Managing Partner to True CEO

The biggest barrier to 2.7x productivity isn’t technology or talent. It’s how firm leaders spend their time. Most managing partners remain trapped doing client work while trying to run their businesses, creating a fundamental ceiling on growth.

“The very first place we go is to the leader of the firm,” Wurtzbacher explains. “We want to help them through a transition to become a true CEO, defined as them having one client, which is the firm.”

This leadership trap stems from what Wurtzbacher calls the “fiercely independent” culture of accounting. During his research, he consistently heard from entrepreneurial CPAs who valued their independence: the name on the door, community reputation, caring for people and clients their way. But this independence prevents the changes necessary for breakthrough growth.

The problem runs deeper than time management. The client service orientation that defines quality accounting actually caps leadership development. With seasonal demands and constant client pressure, managing partners find limited windows for strategic work throughout the year.

The real breakthrough requires confronting a limiting belief. “When you’re close with your clients, you believe nobody can do the work but you,” Wurtzbacher observes. “No one else can have this client relationship.”

Consider Lee Cohen from LMC in New York, who exemplifies this transformation. Cohen was initially stressed, unhappy, and heavily involved in client work. Through Ascend’s CEO transition process, “Cohen literally became a different person. He would tell you that,” Wurtzbacher says.

Fifty percent of Cohen’s transformation came from a mindset shift. The other fifty percent came from bringing in a Chief Growth Officer—not a traditional business development role, but a general manager from outside the profession. “A lot of them have MBAs, but they are hungry, humble, smart people that come in and create visibility for that leader about what’s going on in the business and where there are opportunities.”

This operational support, combined with the mindset shift away from client dependency, sets leaders free to focus on what only they can do: building and directing their firms.

Creating an “Irresistible Offer” for Top Talent

Even the best leadership transformation can’t solve the profession’s talent crisis through traditional methods. When quality candidates routinely field six, seven, or eight job offers, firms need something fundamentally different.

Wurtzbacher’s solution centers on creating an “irresistible offer,” and it starts with better recruiting. “So many firm recruiters grew up in the profession, and they’re trapped with the baggage of old ways of doing things,” he explains. Ascend built a team of professional recruiters from outside accounting who understand best practices for finding candidates and closing deals.

But the real breakthrough is compensation innovation. While the profession is “very base salary heavy,” Ascend developed an off-the-shelf bonus program that lets firms pay more cash than competitors. They also extended equity ownership far beyond traditional partner levels.

“We have well over 100 people across all our firms that are managers or senior managers that are investors in Ascend. They own Ascend stock,” Wurtzbacher reveals. These employees invest $10,000 to $50,000 annually in company stock—typically funded through the enhanced bonus program—essentially dollar-cost averaging into equity appreciation throughout their careers.

This creates what Wurtzbacher calls “a different cultural energy.” When people understand how equity value creation works outside the traditional partnership model, they connect their daily work to long-term wealth building. The psychological shift from employee to owner fundamentally changes commitment levels.

The design also solves a collaboration problem. Because everyone owns Ascend stock regardless of which firm they work for, “it creates a one team attitude across all our firms” that unlocks knowledge sharing across the platform.

The results speak for themselves. Firms that described capacity as their “#1 issue” now consider that problem solved. “Our big issue now is how do we go and get all the right kinds of new business that we want to keep our great people excited and motivated,” Wurtzbacher notes.

Technology at Enterprise Scale

Achieving nearly triple productivity requires more than incremental improvements. It demands systematic transformation through AI, global teams, and automation that individual firms cannot afford alone.

But there’s a gap between AI hype and reality. “There is so much more hype and future forecasting than there is reality in this area,” Wurtzbacher observes. For firms feeling behind, “that’s just not the case.” Most firms implementing AI are saving perhaps two hours per person per week, and that’s only for the most advanced adopters.

This creates both opportunity and strategic imperative. While individual firms struggle with overwhelming AI options, they lack technical expertise and capital for truly transformative capabilities. The solution requires enterprise scale.

Ascend illustrates this advantage in action. They’re building a 30-person software engineering and AI team by year-end. “No medium-sized or smaller firm is going to be able to do that,” Wurtzbacher explains.

Their strategy operates on two fronts: strategic buying versus building. For general needs, they purchase existing products. For capabilities essential to their workflows, they invest millions annually developing proprietary AI solutions.

One promising area addresses what Wurtzbacher calls the client context problem. Years of relationships generate institutional knowledge typically trapped “in your head, in spreadsheets, in work papers, in your inbox, and some other tool.” Their AI team works on aggregating this context into accessible systems that transform practitioners from information gatherers into true advisors.

Global talent represents another productivity component. Ascend’s acquisition and transformation of Sentient Solutions, a global capability center exclusively serving US accounting firms in Hyderabad, India, demonstrates sophisticated global team integration. But this isn’t simple outsourcing; it requires developing playbooks that elevate rather than replace domestic work.

Even basic infrastructure offers huge opportunities. Practice management systems in accounting are “so messed up,” Wurtzbacher notes. Before AI delivers transformation, firms need fundamental technological foundations for tracking work and maintaining institutional knowledge.

The Choice Facing Every Firm

Survival depends on three interconnected transformations happening simultaneously: leaders evolving from client servers to strategic CEOs, revolutionary talent approaches through equity ownership, and enterprise-scale technology investments individual firms cannot achieve.

This is a watershed moment for professional services. The mathematical reality of 2.7x productivity gains will separate surviving firms from those becoming obsolete. When 85% of the profession will have a decade or less experience by 2035, traditional models don’t just fail; they become mathematically impossible.

But there’s reason for optimism. Firms embracing these changes discover that freeing leaders from client work unleashes strategic energy, equity ownership creates cultural transformation beyond salary increases, and enterprise-scale technology delivers impossible productivity gains.

Wurtzbacher’s personal timeline reinforces this long-term vision. At 37, he tells people “this very well could be the last thing I do. So I’m thinking of Ascend in terms of decades.” While typical private equity investments last three to four years, his commitment spans the time needed for real transformation.

For accounting professionals, this is an existential threat and an unprecedented opportunity. The mathematical moment of truth has arrived. The question isn’t whether change is coming. It’s whether you’ll lead it or be overwhelmed by it.

Listen to the full conversation with David Wurtzbacher on the Earmark Podcast to hear more about Ascend’s approach to transforming accounting firms while preserving their independence.

Why Your Clients Keep Losing Good Employees and How You Can Fix It

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Small businesses are losing talent and money through employee turnover while a proven solution sits right under their noses—one that their accountants could easily provide, but rarely do. The numbers are stark: companies lose productivity, face constant recruiting costs, and struggle to compete for quality employees. Yet most business owners don’t know that offering benefits could dramatically reduce these problems, and their trusted financial advisors aren’t telling them.

That’s the message from a recent Earmark Podcast episode featuring Justin Kurn, Chief Revenue Officer of Dark Horse CPAs, a firm that doubled revenue from $6 million to $12 million in just one year, and Julia Miller, GM and Head of Product – Benefits at Gusto. Their conversation revealed a massive disconnect between what small businesses desperately need and what they currently receive from their professional service providers.

The Hidden Cost of Employee Turnover and the Benefits Solution

Small businesses lose money due to a problem they don’t fully understand while ignoring a solution that’s both affordable and proven. Employee turnover quietly erodes the bottom line, yet most business owners don’t realize that benefits can solve this crisis.

Research at Gusto reveals numbers that should make every small business owner and their accountant pay attention. “Small businesses that offer 401(k) have 40% lower employee attrition in the first year of employment than small businesses that don’t,” she explains. “Small businesses that offer health insurance have 25% lower attrition in the first year.”

These aren’t small improvements. Employee retention directly impacts profitability. When employees leave within their first year, businesses lose productivity, institutional knowledge, and momentum. They face constant training cycles, disrupted team dynamics, and the opportunity cost of what that departing employee could have contributed.

Yet most small business owners approach benefits with a fundamental misconception that costs them dearly. “Businesses think of benefits as an immediate cost increase to their business when it actually is not,” Kurn observes from his experience working with hundreds of small businesses. The knee-jerk reaction is always the same: business owners assume they’ll need to pay 20, 30, or 40% more in payroll costs to cover employee health insurance and retirement contributions.

But most don’t realize that simply providing access to benefits, even when employees pay the premiums themselves, can be transformative. The value isn’t necessarily in what the employer contributes, but in what they make possible. As Justin points out, when you run the numbers, “if the options are I either give them a raise or I add benefits, benefits is probably the right option,” once you factor in payroll taxes and other considerations.

Perhaps more importantly, offering benefits widens the talent pool available to small businesses. “It’s not that the same candidate stays longer, it’s that a different candidate you didn’t even explore before is coming to you and staying longer,” Justin explains. Skilled employees who can demand and receive comprehensive compensation packages simply won’t consider positions that don’t offer benefits. By not providing these options, small businesses automatically exclude themselves from competing for top talent.

This creates a cycle: without benefits, businesses can only attract employees who can’t demand better packages elsewhere. These employees are often less committed, less skilled, and more likely to leave quickly when something better comes along. Meanwhile, companies offering benefits access an entirely different candidate pool of professionals who think strategically about their total compensation and career stability.

The Massive Advisory Gap and Competitive Opportunity

It’s shocking how few small businesses get the guidance they need. “Ten percent of our customers get benefits-related advice from their accountants,” Miller reveals. “Just imagine what we could do for the small business community in this country if that 10% went to 50%.”

Think about that for a moment. Nine out of ten small businesses struggle with employee retention, losing money through turnover, and missing out on accessing better talent pools, all while their trusted advisors remain silent on a solution that could transform their companies. This is a huge opportunity for accountants who recognize what’s happening.

Dark Horse CPAs understood this shift and built their explosive growth around it. The firm began building its advisory services at the tail end of 2022. They added benefits to their service menu and fundamentally changed how they engage with clients, moving from reactive compliance work to proactive strategic guidance.

Recognizing the trigger points and knowing how to act on them is crucial. Kurn’s team watches for three critical signals: revenue growth, staff growth, and high employee turnover. When they spot these patterns, “it’s a question of, not if, but when,” Justin emphasizes. “If you plant the seed of when, it’s like, ‘well, this is a necessary step in my growth and development as a business.’”

This subtle shift in messaging completely changes the client’s mindset. Instead of viewing benefits as an optional expense they might never need, clients begin to see it as an inevitable step in their business evolution. The conversation moves from “Do I really need this?” to “When should we implement this?”

The beauty of this approach is that it doesn’t require accountants to become benefits experts overnight. “If you focus just on compliance and blocking and tackling, these are not conversations that you’re privy to,” Justin notes. “But if you’re in the seat of the advisor, these conversations do come up either directly or indirectly.” The key is positioning yourself to hear these conversations and knowing when to act on them.

What makes this opportunity even more compelling is most accounting firms aren’t even trying to capture it. While Dark Horse doubled its revenue by embracing advisory services, their competitors remain stuck in the traditional compliance mindset. This creates a massive first-mover advantage for firms willing to make the shift now.

The Practical Path to Benefits Advisory Success

Shifting from transactional payroll processing to strategic benefits advisory doesn’t require accountants to become licensed insurance brokers overnight. Instead, you need to understand how to facilitate the process while positioning yourself as the trusted advisor throughout the journey. Dark Horse’s model leverages both technology and authenticity to create genuine value for clients.

Gusto’s platform enables what Kurn calls “self-discovery.” Rather than requiring accountants to lead every conversation and manage every detail, roughly 60% of Dark Horse’s clients actually discover and explore benefits options independently through the platform, then return to their accountants for validation and guidance. “They can self-assess quite often and look for validation from the accountant’s side, and then support during the process,” Kurn explains.

This model works because Gusto’s user experience encourages exploration rather than intimidating users. “Clients dump it onto their accountant because it’s like, ‘I don’t even want to go in here. I don’t even know how to get in here.’ Gusto is different,” Kurn notes. The platform follows an intuitive path that allows business owners to understand their options without feeling overwhelmed by complexity.

But the secret weapon that makes Dark Horse’s approach so effective is authenticity. “The best sales tool or the best advisory tool comes from a place of authenticity,” Kurn emphasizes. Dark Horse uses Gusto benefits for the firm, which means every team member experiences the platform as an end user. When clients have questions about the employee experience, Kurn can show them what they’ll see because he uses it himself.

This authenticity eliminates the biggest barrier many accountants face when considering benefits advisory work: the fear they’ll need to become benefits experts and “sell” something they don’t fully understand. Instead, it becomes a natural conversation: “Do you want to see? I could actually show you what the experience is as an employee. Like, this is what I see because I use it myself,” Kurn explains.

When clients are ready to move forward, Gusto provides licensed human advisors who can partner with accountants to help answer complex questions and guide clients through the selection process. This means accountants don’t have to become benefits experts. They just need to recognize when clients need this guidance and facilitate the connection.

The implementation process minimizes the burden on accountants and business owners. For new benefits offerings, Miller explains that while clients typically shop a few months ahead, the actual implementation can be compressed to about four weeks when necessary. The business owner’s involvement can be minimal. They need to understand what they’re signing up for and sign the necessary documents, but Gusto handles the heavy lifting of carrier coordination, employee communication, and enrollment management.

Most importantly, this advisory approach translates directly into significantly higher revenue for accounting firms willing to make the shift. Kurn’s pricing strategy is straightforward. The firm treats benefits implementation as project-based work with ongoing advisory fees that typically run two to three times higher than transactional services.

“There’s a three times delta between these two things. That’s the value to the firm if you can get into the seat of the advisor,” Kurn emphasizes. This isn’t about charging more for the same service. It’s about providing valuable, strategic guidance that justifies premium pricing.

The Time to Act is Now

This perfect storm of opportunity won’t last forever. Small businesses are struggling with employee retention, losing talented workers they can’t afford to lose. Offering benefits can slash turnover rates by 25% to 40%. Yet nine out of ten businesses don’t get this crucial guidance from their trusted advisors.

For the accounting profession, this is a chance to transform how we serve clients and position our firms in the marketplace. Dark Horse CPAs didn’t just stumble into doubling their revenue; they recognized their clients’ need for strategic guidance.

But this window won’t stay open indefinitely. As more accounting firms recognize this opportunity and begin offering benefits advisory services, the competitive advantage will diminish. The firms that act now, while 90% of their competitors remain stuck in transactional mode, stand to capture significant market share and establish themselves as the go-to advisors for growing businesses.

Start by implementing Gusto benefits for your firm to gain authentic experience with the platform. Begin watching for those trigger points Kurn identified: revenue growth, staff growth, and high employee turnover. When you spot these signals, initiate the conversation using “when” language rather than “if” language.

Most importantly, don’t let fear of the unknown hold you back. You don’t need to become a benefits expert overnight. You need to become the trusted advisor who recognizes when clients need this guidance and connects them with the right resources. The expertise already exists through platforms like Gusto’s licensed advisors. Your role is to facilitate access to it while providing the strategic oversight your clients depend on.

The small businesses in your portfolio are waiting for this guidance, whether they realize it or not. They’re struggling with employee retention, losing sleep over recruiting costs, and missing out on talented candidates who won’t even consider positions without benefits.

Don’t let this massive opportunity pass by. Listen to the full Earmark Podcast episode to hear Justin Kurn and Julia Miller’s complete playbook for transforming your practice through benefits advisory services. Your clients need this guidance, the data proves its effectiveness, and your competitors might not be providing it yet. Will you be among the first to capture it? Or among the last to realize what you missed?

Why Military Experience Creates Exceptional Accountants

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What do submarine oxygen levels have to do with solving the accounting talent shortage? More than you might think. For Navy veteran Mark Steinhoff, the precision required to manage life-support systems hundreds of feet underwater created the perfect foundation for his accounting career. 

On a recent episode of the Earmark Podcast, Steinhoff shared how his military experience, where a single error could be catastrophic, prepared him for a profession where accuracy is essential.

The Surprising Parallels Between Military Service and Accounting

At first glance, maintaining life support systems on a nuclear submarine and balancing financial statements seem worlds apart. Yet for Mark Steinhoff, the transition felt surprisingly natural.

“The military is very structured. You’ve got that typical hierarchy, chain of command, everything’s procedural compliance. You’ve got to follow the rules,” Steinhoff explains. “And accounting is very similar. There’s a lot of rules, processes, guidelines, and regulatory compliance.”

Steinhoff served as a machinist mate auxiliary on the USS Alabama (the submarine featured in the movie Crimson Tide). His job required extraordinary precision. As he describes, “Everything you touch on the boat, if you want to take a bolt off, you have to document it. There are procedures you have to follow.” This rigorous documentation mirrors accounting’s fundamental requirement to record and verify every transaction.

The military’s verification systems also parallel accounting’s internal controls. Steinhoff points to the “two-party check” system used on submarines. “If one person wanted to go do work, they would go through independent verification, and then the other person would independently do it.” This approach is remarkably similar to the separation of duties in accounting, where different people handle different parts of a transaction to reduce errors and fraud.

The stakes in both environments are high. On a submarine, “There’s no option for mistakes.” A failed oxygen system means disaster for the entire crew. While accounting errors might not immediately threaten lives, they can certainly threaten livelihoods, affecting businesses, jobs, and investments.

Using Military Benefits to Get an Accounting Education

For veterans considering accounting careers, education is the bridge between military experience and professional opportunity. Steinhoff’s path shows how military benefits can make high-quality accounting education affordable, even at prestigious private universities.

Steinhoff left the Navy in June 2020, just as the COVID-19 pandemic began. With uncertain civilian job prospects, he decided to use his GI Bill benefits for college.

“They pay you a little stipend to pay your rent and get you through college. They pay for your books, and they pay for your tuition,” Steinhoff explains. However, many veterans don’t realize they can maximize these benefits through programs like the Yellow Ribbon Act, which allowed him to attend Texas Christian University (TCU), a private school with an annual tuition of about $50,000.

“Most of the time the GI Bill pays for public schools, but with the Yellow Ribbon, the school makes a deal with the VA to split the difference,” he explains. “The school covers 50% and the VA covers 50%.”

Steinhoff treated college as a “full-time job,” completing a double major in finance and accounting in three years. Now, he’s using additional state-level benefits to pursue an MBA at the University of Texas at Dallas.

“Texas has a program called the Hazelwood Act, which gives you another 36 months of tuition-free education at a public school,” he notes. This combination of federal and state benefits provides a clear pathway to meet the 150 credit hours required for CPA licensure.

Creating Value in Accounting Through Military Experience

While education provides the technical foundation, it’s in the workplace where veterans like Steinhoff discover their military background creates unique advantages in accounting roles.

“In a small company, maybe there aren’t processes or procedures in place,” Steinhoff notes. “Coming from that military environment, I could write a procedure, train people, and create those processes.” This skill is particularly valuable in growing companies where accounting systems may not have kept pace with business expansion.

Steinhoff’s current role at a water utility company shows how military expertise finds unexpected applications in accounting. “They liked me a lot because there are not many accountants who have worked on water systems,” he explains. “From a submarine, that was my whole life. I could tell you how a pump works, I could tell you how the valves work.” This combination of technical operational knowledge with accounting skills enables him to understand the organization’s financial and physical infrastructure.

The military’s emphasis on translating complex technical information into actionable intelligence also serves veterans well, as accounting evolves beyond compliance toward business advisory roles. “Accountants are expected to take data and translate it,” Steinhoff observes. “Veterans fit this role because business owners want someone who can take numbers and translate them into easy-to-understand language.”

For veterans considering this career path, Steinhoff acknowledges the transition requires courage. “It’s a leap of faith. When you’re getting out of the military, it’s a big challenge because it’s this whole different world.” But he emphasizes that the responsibility given to service members far exceeds what most civilians experience at similar ages.

“The military gives 18-year-olds more responsibility than any other jobs. They put me on a submarine working on things where other lives are at risk,” he notes. “If you could do that, you could do this.”

A Win-Win Solution for Veterans and the Profession

The accounting profession faces a talent shortage and needs more analytical, tech-savvy professionals who can translate financial data into strategic insights. Meanwhile, thousands of disciplined, detail-oriented veterans transition to civilian life annually, bringing with them the exact qualities the profession desperately needs.

Mark Steinhoff’s journey from maintaining submarine life support systems to managing accounting operations for a water utility shows the natural connection between military service and accounting work. The procedural rigor required to keep sailors alive underwater is the perfect foundation for the exacting standards of accounting.

For veterans thinking about their next career, accounting offers a structured environment with clear advancement paths that will feel familiar after military service. With education benefits through the GI Bill and state programs like the Texas Hazelwood Act, the required accounting education is affordable without accumulating significant debt.

For accounting firms and businesses struggling to fill positions, veterans are an untapped resource, bringing maturity, discipline, and transferable skills. Their experience with high-pressure situations, procedure development, and translating complex information aligns perfectly with accounting’s evolution toward more strategic business advisory roles.

The accounting profession isn’t just about numbers; it’s about creating systems that provide reliable information for critical decisions. Veterans spend years operating in environments where systems thinking and procedural discipline aren’t just professional requirements but matters of survival.

Listen to the full Earmark podcast episode to hear Steinhoff’s complete story and gain more insights on transitioning from military service to accounting. His journey offers a blueprint for how the accounting profession might find its next generation of leaders from those who’ve already proven their ability to perform when the stakes couldn’t be higher.

From Homeless to $20 Billion Deals: An Accountant’s Journey Through Automation

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Fifteen years ago, Devon Coombs was sleeping in his car. Skip ahead, and he’s helping negotiate $20 billion AI deals at Google Cloud. His story isn’t just another rags-to-riches tale—it’s a preview of accounting’s future.

I interviewed Devon on the Earmark Podcast, and what struck me wasn’t his remarkable turnaround. It was his pattern recognition. Devon lived through technology’s destruction of the music industry. Now he’s watching the same forces reshape accounting. The difference? This time, he’s riding the wave instead of getting crushed.

The Recording Studio That Technology Killed

At 18, Devon owned Antipop Records in North Hollywood. He’d grown up in foster care. His mother died when he was 15, and he never met his father. But he had talent and a passion for music, so he did what passionate people do: invested everything in professional recording equipment.

Then Logic Pro happened.

“My rates went from $50-100 an hour to competing with guys charging ten bucks,” Devon told me. “Musicians could record in their kitchen and get 90% of my quality.”

The 2007 recession started the bleeding. Technology finished it. Devon’s $100,000 studio became worthless overnight. He ended up homeless, sleeping in his car, trying to figure out what went wrong.

Here’s what he learned: Technology doesn’t destroy industries. It destroys intermediaries. Musicians who could compose, produce, and distribute music thrived with infinite digital instruments at their fingertips. Recording engineers and session musicians who only executed other people’s visions? They became extinct.

The Community College Revelation

While living in his car, Devon started taking business classes at Pierce College, a community college in the San Fernando Valley. He planned to become a music attorney. But accounting grabbed him instead.

“I was surprised by how much I liked doing the work,” he says. The profession also offered something Devon had never experienced: predictable career progression and financial security.

His first internship taught him an unexpected lesson. The CPA who hired him was successful despite being disorganized and barely keeping clients happy. “If this guy could make bank being this scattered,” Devon thought, “imagine what I could do if I actually tried.”

1,000 Cold Calls and One Big Bet

At Deloitte, first-year associates reconcile bank statements. Devon had other plans. He made 1,000 cold calls and emails to controllers across Los Angeles.

His pitch was brilliant in its honesty: “I’m new at Deloitte. I want to learn. Give me your time, and I promise you’ll get more attention from me than from any partner here.”

It worked. He landed GoGuardian as a client—one of the first ASC 606 implementations in the country. The partner told him it would never work. Nobody wins clients as a first-year associate.

Deloitte gave Devon a $100 bonus for bringing in a $100,000 client. That’s when he knew the Big Four model wasn’t for him. When Effectus Group offered to double his salary plus commission, he jumped.

Becoming the 606 Expert

ASC 606 was rolling out, and nobody understood it. The guidance ran thousands of pages. Most accountants waited for CPE courses to explain it.

Devon printed every page.

“I’d read 30 pages every night, then figure out how to apply it,” he explained. In two years, he completed over ten implementations across industries—software companies, call centers, and even nonprofits.

Six months into his new job, he won Automation Anywhere as a client. A multibillion-dollar unicorn choosing a boutique firm over the Big Four. Why? Because Devon knew 606 better than anyone.

“Put in six months of deep work on any technical topic,” he told me, “and you’ll blow everyone else out of the water.”

The AI Orchestrator Revolution

Today, at Google Cloud, Devon helps negotiate billion-dollar AI deals. But here’s what matters: He’s not just selling AI. He’s living the future of professional services.

“Agentic workflows,” he calls them. AI bots handle routine tasks while humans orchestrate the work. “You’ll have bots calling companies, and no one will know they’re bots. All those little tasks in between? Just bots talking to each other.”

It’s the music industry all over again. Technology eliminates executors and elevates orchestrators. The accountants who only know how to follow procedures? They’re the session musicians of the 2010s. The ones who can design systems, manage AI workflows, and apply judgment? They’re the producers.

Devon is now leaving Google for PCG (Principal Consulting Group), where he’ll build a practice around this orchestrator model. His goal: “better quality work with higher judgment applied with all my expertise and one-tenth the cost.”

Your Window Is Closing

Recording studios were given years of warning, but they ignored it. By the time musicians started canceling sessions, the game was over.

Accounting firms today are experiencing the same warning signs: clients questioning fees, staff leaving for tech companies, and AI tools handling basic bookkeeping. The script is playing out again.

But unlike Devon’s recording studio, we can see it coming. We can choose to be orchestrators instead of executors. We can build practices around AI enhancement instead of human grinding.

The transformation isn’t some distant future. Devon’s already building it. He’s creating an entirely new service model where CPAs orchestrate AI agents to deliver superior results at a fraction of traditional costs.

“The AI movement is our chance to add real value,” Devon insists. “But only if we lean in now.”

Listen to the full episode to understand how to position yourself for this shift. Because Devon’s journey proves one thing: Those who embrace disruption don’t just survive. They discover possibilities they never imagined existed.

The question isn’t whether AI will transform accounting. It’s whether you’ll be the orchestrator or become obsolete. Devon made his choice. What’s yours?