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Your Team Actually Wants You Less Involved in Daily Operations—Here’s How to Give Them What They Need

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For an accounting firm owner, days can feel like an endless stream of Slack notifications and “quick questions” from your team. You’ve become your company’s “internal Wikipedia”—the go-to source for every operational decision, client question, and process clarification. Sound familiar?

Chase Damiano, founder of Human at Scale and recent guest on the Earmark Podcast, has a name for this trap: the bottleneck.

Damiano brings a unique perspective to the accounting world. After scaling Commonwealth Joe Coffee Roasters from zero to $5 million in revenue and earning a spot on Forbes’ 30 Under 30 list in 2018, he experienced burnout so severe it drove him to take a 12-week sabbatical that included two weeks of silent meditation. This radical reset transformed his understanding of leadership and delegation. Now, he shares those insights with accounting firm leaders trapped in similar operational quicksand.

In his conversation with host Blake Oliver on the Earmark Podcast, Damiano challenges a fundamental assumption plaguing firm owners: the belief that hiring more people will solve their capacity problems. The reality is far more complex. Breaking free requires a systematic approach to delegation that transforms how you communicate expectations and how you measure success.

Every overwhelmed firm owner needs to understand three critical transformations. First, why the traits that make you successful—perfectionism and desire to serve—become the quicksand that traps you. Second, how a six-part delegation framework frees you from daily firefighting. And third, why building a “team responsibility inventory” provides the roadmap for extracting yourself from workflows while actually increasing your team’s autonomy.

The Psychology of Being Stuck: Why Good Intentions Create Bad Systems

Before you can implement systematic delegation, you need to recognize that the very traits that made you successful now hold your firm hostage.

Damiano knows this pattern intimately. After scaling his coffee company to $5 million in revenue, he found himself addicted to the productivity habit. It took three full weeks of his sabbatical just to stop compulsively “figuring things out.”

“Even the act of ‘figuring out your life’ can now look more like a job,” he explained to Oliver. “Wake up, have breakfast, go to a coffee shop to figure things out. Then it’s time for lunch, more figuring out, dinner—and suddenly another day has vanished.”

This addiction to busyness hits accounting firm owners particularly hard. Your perfectionism, your genuine desire to serve clients, and your technical expertise aren’t character flaws. They’re the foundation of your professional success. But when it comes to scaling a firm, they become quicksand.

Oliver admits he fell into this exact trap with his own firm. “I said yes to everything,” he reflected during the conversation, “and then I’ve got too much to do and I’m busy all the time, working 60 hour weeks.”

The desire to help everyone feels noble in the moment. But it creates a system where your brain becomes the firm’s operating system. Every decision, every quality check, every client question routes through you.

The perfectionism problem runs deeper than just workload. Oliver shared an example from his time at a Big Four firm. The nonprofit team was performing full compilation engagements for clients who didn’t need them. “Most of these nonprofits did not need compilations, but we were doing it anyway with a huge added cost,” he observed. The team could have delivered a simpler service at better margins while still meeting client needs.

Damiano challenges firm owners to examine their “inner data”—not financial metrics, but the intuitive signals about energy and alignment. When he asks bottlenecked CEOs how they feel day-to-day, the answer is always the same: “incredibly draining,” “incredibly stressed,” “I don’t want to do this.”

Yet the pattern continues. They know they’re stuck, they can articulate the problem, but they take no action to change it.

This paralysis stems from a fundamental identity crisis. As Damiano discovered after exiting his coffee company, entrepreneurs often don’t know who they are without their business. “Everyone asked me what I’m going to get into next.” he recalled. “People assume you’re going to go on to an even greater thing, but you might not be clear about that internally, and that’s okay.”

The reality check comes when you realize your team actually wants you less involved. Teams see your pain from being overwhelmed. But more importantly, they experience frustration when you inject yourself into processes and “muck things up,” as Damiano puts it.

Your team craves autonomy over their roles. They want to make decisions without running everything by you. But first, you need to accept that your five-minute solution might be worth sacrificing for their two-hour learning experience.

Damiano’s perspective on one-on-ones captures the mindset shift required: “Your one-on-ones should not be about status updates. It’s an opportunity to develop them as leaders in every role, in every position. They should do 80 plus percent of the talking.”

Understanding these psychological barriers is crucial, but awareness alone won’t free you from the trap. You need a concrete system for transferring responsibilities that addresses both your need for quality and your team’s need for clarity.

The Six-Part Delegation Framework: From Chaos to Clarity

The breakthrough moment in Oliver and Damiano’s conversation came when Oliver realized effective delegation to humans uses the exact same structure as prompt engineering for AI.

“What you just described is a well-written prompt,” Oliver exclaimed as Damiano outlined his delegation system. “It’s the same thing.”

This revelation transforms delegation from an art into a science. The framework emerged from Damiano’s observation of countless delegation failures. One particularly instructive disaster involved a chief operating officer who attempted to delegate a billing process. She wrote just seven words on a piece of paper: “Manage billing process while I’m out on vacation.”

The predictable result? Complete failure. Without context, success criteria, or clear boundaries, the delegation was doomed from the start.

During the podcast, Damiano and Oliver worked through a real example: delegating the management of weekly team meetings. Here’s how the framework transformed this common bottleneck into a clear, delegatable responsibility:

1. Name the responsibility: “Manage and coordinate weekly team sync.” Just two to three sentences that start with action verbs.

2. Define the purpose: As Oliver articulated: “Our weekly team sync is what keeps everyone organized and makes sure nothing falls through the cracks. It helps us prioritize.” Damiano added, “This is our command center for what is happening for the week, but also a place for us to come together as a culture.”

3. Establish success metrics: “Everybody leaves the meeting with their top three to five priorities clearly defined. We’ve addressed any blockers,” Oliver said. Plus the binary metric: Did the meeting happen? Did everyone who could attend actually attend?

4. Document the process: They mapped out everything from sending meeting invites and creating agendas to collecting topics, facilitating discussions, and updating the practice management system.

5. Identify resources: Access to calendars, ability to run reports on upcoming deadlines, time for preparation and follow-up. “In a prompt that would be the tools,” Oliver noted.

6. Clarify decisions: The operations manager can choose meeting times and create agendas autonomously, but needs approval to cancel meetings two weeks in a row.

The elegance of this system lies in its flexibility. “Those first three are perfect delegation opportunities for a more senior individual,” Damiano explains. Junior team members benefit from all six elements as guardrails.

What makes this framework powerful is how it addresses trust issues that sabotage most delegation attempts. When delegation fails using this structure, you can pinpoint exactly what went wrong.

“You can literally look at it and pinpoint exactly where,” Damiano says. “And that is what makes the delegation stick, because you can just fix that one issue.”

The framework also flips the traditional delegation dynamic. Instead of the owner having to document everything, team members can use these six elements as a guide to ask better questions. This transforms delegation from a top-down directive into a collaborative process.

Oliver’s enthusiasm was immediate: “I’m going to start using this. I’m going to do this tomorrow with my team.”

The framework addresses his core challenge: getting his team to take ownership without constantly coming to him for decisions. By clearly defining decision boundaries upfront, team members gain confidence to act autonomously while knowing exactly when to escalate.

But individual delegation is just the beginning. True transformation requires examining every responsibility across the entire firm.

Building Your Delegation Roadmap: The Path to Strategic Leadership

Moving from technician to strategic architect demands a systematic inventory and redistribution of all responsibilities across your firm.

Damiano calls this process building a “Team Responsibility Inventory.” As Oliver discovered with his own 16-person company, you can reach a point where founders are still doing work from when the company was half its size.

“We’re the bottleneck,” he admitted, recognizing how he and his partner had become “functionally critical participants in the workflow” even though they now had a team capable of handling that work.

The Team Responsibility Inventory begins with radical transparency. Every team member completes a seven-day time audit, brain-dumping every task and responsibility they handle. No organization needed, just raw data.

Then comes the revolutionary part: a facilitated session to compile all these responsibilities and review them line by line as a company. For many firms, this marks the first time the team sees exactly what’s on the CEO’s plate.

“Imagine you’re going line by line through these responsibilities and as a team making a decision,” Damiano explains. “Should the CEO still have this responsibility?”

The power of this collective review can’t be overstated. Team members who’ve been frustrated by their CEO’s constant intervention suddenly understand the impossible workload their leader carries. More importantly, they become active participants in solving the problem.

Each responsibility faces one of six possible destinies: hire someone, delegate and train internally, outsource to a service provider, automate through software, consciously eliminate, or keep.

The elimination option deserves special attention. “This is an underused one,” Damiano emphasizes. After years of growth, firms accumulate zombie tasks—reports nobody reads, processes that served a purpose five years ago.

Oliver shared the perfect example: “There’s all these people running weekly, monthly, quarterly reports that were defined five years ago that they’ve been sending out constantly and nobody’s actually reading them.”

The delegation roadmap shows how responsibilities shifts over time. But successful execution requires developing your team’s decision-making capabilities, not just their technical skills.

This is where Damiano’s “Problem-Outcome-Solution Framework” comes in. Instead of bringing problems to leadership, team members learn to present complete proposals. Define the problem and its cost. Articulate the desired outcome. Recommend a solution with clear resource requirements.

Oliver’s current challenge illustrates why this matters: “My team comes to me with a problem and then I have to use my brain space to think about the solution. But it’d be much better if they defined the problem, defined the outcome they want, and gave me a proposed solution.”

This shift transforms every interaction from a drain on the CEO’s cognitive resources into a development opportunity for the team member.

The framework works because it addresses a fundamental misunderstanding about delegation. Firm owners often justify keeping tasks because “I could do this in five minutes. Why delegate something that takes them two hours?”

But this calculation ignores the compound effect. That two-hour learning investment today becomes 90 minutes next week, then 60 minutes, then eventually faster than you could do it yourself—all while freeing you to focus on strategic work only you can do.

Oliver’s ultimate success story proves what’s possible. After five years building his firm with these principles, he achieved the dream: “I was doing no sales, I was doing no client work. We were getting customers. They were getting served. They were happy, they were paying. Money was coming into the bank and I was not involved.”

For anyone trapped in 60-hour weeks, Oliver’s enthusiasm is infectious: “I will tell you that it is the greatest thing in the world to get into that position, because then you’re really just an owner of a business.”

From Bottleneck to Breakthrough: Your Next Strategic Move

The journey from bottleneck to strategic leader is about fundamentally reimagining how knowledge and decision-making flow through your organization.

Damiano’s framework reveals that delegation isn’t a single skill but a system. It requires clear communication, defined success metrics, and the courage to accept “good enough” from others. The same perfectionism that built your reputation can become the cage that limits your growth.

This transformation extends beyond individual firms to the entire accounting profession’s evolution. As AI handles increasingly complex technical work, the firms that thrive will be those where owners have already extracted themselves from technical execution. They’ll focus on strategy, relationships, and innovation instead.

What makes Human at Scale different is, “We don’t just come in as a consultant or advisor or coach,” Damiano explains. “We actually come in and join your team. We are in there, actually running these systems and building that with you.”

Listen to the full conversation between Oliver and Damiano on the Earmark Podcast to discover additional frameworks and tools. Visit Human at Scale to take their operational leadership assessment that can diagnose your firm’s specific bottlenecks.

Stop Pricing the Deliverable and Start Pricing the Relationship

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Marie Greene once spent more than 20 hours on a client she was charging just $12. But she only realized how little she was charging for her time when her firm started tracking time. While extreme, Greene’s story highlights a problem that plagues accounting firms everywhere: chronic underpricing that leaves practitioners exhausted and struggling to grow.

In this episode of the Earmark Podcast, recorded live in Los Angeles during the Advisory Amplified tour, host Blake Oliver explores the pricing puzzle with Greene, a CPA and founder and CEO of Connected Accounting, and Ryan Embree, Director of Partnerships at Ignition. Together, they tackle one of the profession’s toughest challenges: how to charge what you’re worth without losing clients.

The Time-Tracking Wake-Up Call

Greene’s journey to better pricing started with tears of frustration. “I literally cried, but I didn’t know it was so bad. My pricing was so bad until we started tracking time,” she admits. Even though Connected Accounting had always used fixed fees instead of hourly billing, they had no real grasp on whether their pricing made sense.

The problem got worse when Greene hired her first team member. She’d been pricing based on how quickly she could complete tasks, not realizing she was “super mega efficient” compared to most people. “When it takes someone a normal amount of time, I was destroying my budgets and I couldn’t delegate fast enough. And then I was just buried in work,” she explains.

This pattern isn’t unique to Greene’s firm. Embree sees it repeated across hundreds of firms he works with at Ignition. The problem often hides in compliance services, where firms fall into the trap of charging “the same as last year.”

“If you quoted someone X amount of dollars seven years ago and they’re still paying that fee, that is the biggest opportunity,” Embree points out. Many firms hesitated to raise prices during COVID when clients were struggling. But as Embree notes, “price increases are normal. They’re a part of business.”

Eventually, Greene’s managers staged an intervention. They took over pricing and told her to stop selling certain services at unsustainable rates. Six years later, the firm has a much more realistic pricing model. But it all started with that uncomfortable first step of tracking where time actually goes.

Pricing the Whole Relationship, Not Just the Deliverable

The real breakthrough came when Greene realized she was charging two clients the same amount for identical services, but one required far more time and attention than the other.

“You can’t just price the deliverable, which is a P&L at the end of each month,” Greene discovered. “You have to also price the number of touchpoints. You have to price how often they have ad hoc random questions that are not part of the scope.”

Connected Accounting now looks at multiple factors when setting prices:

  • Number of bank accounts (17 credit cards vs. one checking account makes a difference)
  • Transaction volume (one account with 1,000 transactions can be more work than multiple quiet accounts)
  • Number of bills and invoices processed monthly
  • Meeting frequency (weekly touchpoints vs. monthly check-ins)
  • Communication style and expectations

This approach also creates natural price escalators. “We’ve always been very clear up front that we grow with you,” Greene explains. “As you add employees, as you add bank accounts, as your transaction volume increases, our fees increase.”

Embree adds that this reframing helps clients understand price changes. “They know they’re growing. They know they’ve exceeded scope. So they know they’re just kind of leveling up to a new level of service.”

Beyond pricing existing services correctly, firms often miss revenue by not telling clients about everything they offer. Greene discovered this after creating a comprehensive list of which clients used which services. “I was like, oh, we only have six accrual clients, or we only have three that use X.”

This led to casual conversations during client meetings. “We’d say, hey, by the way, we notice you do this. Who does your payroll?” Greene recalls. “We’re not saying we sell payroll and you should buy it, but it was just planting a seed.” Often, clients would respond enthusiastically, not even knowing Connected Accounting offered that service.

Having the Conversation: A Live Repricing Role-Play

During the discussion, Greene demonstrated her approach to repricing conversations in a role-play with Embree acting as the client. She showed how her strategy turns a potentially awkward discussion into a collaborative planning session.

Greene starts with enthusiasm, not numbers: “Hey, Ryan, how excited are you about next year? What are you looking forward to doing with the business?”

When Embree shares his growth plans, she follows with genuine concern: “And with the growth, what are some of the things that keep you up at night?”

Only after understanding his challenges does she pivot to solutions: “Would you be interested if we can find a way to help you lower some of your costs by not having to hire one more admin, and we can take on some of the grunt work?”

The conversation naturally flows into discussing additional services like benefits renewal and talent retention strategies—services Embree’s character didn’t even know Connected Accounting offered.

After these discovery conversations, Greene presents three-tier proposals. “I was no longer trying to force a single price. I showed three and then they could choose. And that was the relief,” she explains. This approach gives clients control while removing the pressure of “selling” a single option.

Despite common fears, clients rarely leave over price increases. Embree observes, “A lot of firms that want to cut clients think raising fees is the way to go. And the short answer is no, they actually still stick around.”

In fact, the worst clients often prove surprisingly price-insensitive. “Whatever the fee is, you can’t actually price them out,” Embree notes.

Technology makes these conversations easier. Connected Accounting now automates annual increases using opt-out language in engagement letters. “Every year in December, we send a notice saying, hey, you have 30 days to cancel your services. But just so you know, effective January 1, all pricing across the firm is going up 3%,” Greene explains.

This mirrors how services like Amazon Prime handle increases: making them expected rather than exceptional. As Oliver points out, “That fee just goes up every year. And we get the email and we look at it and we accept it.”

Your Pricing Transformation Starts Now

Greene’s journey from charging $12 for 20-plus hours of work to running a profitable firm with systematic pricing shows that transformation is possible, even if it takes time. The lessons are: track your time to understand true costs, price the entire client relationship rather than just deliverables, and reframe price discussions around growth and value.

The fear of losing clients to price increases is largely unfounded. When one client left Connected Accounting for a competitor offering a deal, they returned after 12 months and started paying the competitor’s higher rate, which Greene then maintained. “The market often values accounting expertise far more than practitioners themselves realize,” she discovered.

Greene admits she still gets nervous before pricing calls. But she’s learned that authenticity matters more than perfection. “They see how excited I get. They know I’m a huge nerd, I love technology, I love accounting,” she says. “Eventually, they’re like, okay, cool. She sounds like fun to work with.”

Embree emphasizes that positioning yourself as an expert dramatically increases what clients will pay. “People’s willingness to pay is infinite for that piece of mind,” he notes. “To know that you have an expert in your corner that has done this with other clients and knows everything about you and your business.”

The profession’s chronic underpricing doesn’t just hurt firm owners; it limits the entire industry’s ability to innovate and serve clients well. When accounting professionals charge appropriately, they can invest in better tools, training, and talent.

Ready to stop leaving money on the table? Start by tracking where your time really goes. Then look at your client list and identify who’s grown beyond their current service tier. Finally, practice having value-focused conversations that celebrate client success rather than apologizing for price increases.

The full episode includes the complete repricing role-play, detailed pricing metrics, and specific strategies you can implement this week. Because as Greene’s story proves, the biggest barrier to profitable pricing isn’t your clients’ willingness to pay. It’s your own reluctance to ask.

The Real Cost of Being Everyone’s Favorite Boss

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Madeline Reeves thought she’d hit rock bottom when she found herself face-down in a parking lot. She was wrong. That was before her million-dollar agency lost half its revenue in 30 days while she scrambled to save a monthly payroll costing anywhere from $88,000 to $102,000.

Meanwhile, Lynnette Oss Connell had engineered what she calls “a life of overfunctioning”—using technology and systems to layer on more and more responsibility instead of freeing up her time. When Oss Connell told her assistant she planned to add overnight Thursday shifts to handle overflow work, she expected pushback. Instead, her assistant asked how she could support the plan. That’s when Oss Connell realized, “Nobody’s coming to rescue me.”

In this episode of the Earmark Podcast, recorded at the Advisory Amplified Tour in Seattle, host Blake Oliver sits down with these two leaders who rebuilt their careers after burnout. Reeves, founder of Fearless Foundry and host of the Finding Fearless podcast, and Oss Connell, a CPA turned burnout prevention coach and founder of Burnout Bestie, share raw stories about what happens when professional success comes at the cost of personal destruction.

The Accounting Burnout Trap

The accounting profession doesn’t just attract service-oriented people. It rewards behaviors that lead to burnout. During one marketing event Reeves attended, personality testing matched attendees with unique drinks based on their personality types. The result? Out of 100 accountants, 97 received the same drink.

“This profession attracts a certain type of person,” Reeves observed. “For most accountants, their primary love language is acts of service. You live to serve. And that’s why I love accounting professionals.”

But that service mentality became destructive during the pandemic. Reeves led two firm communities during that period—one for female firm founders and another for advisory firms. For two years, she held space for leaders to “just cry privately together on Zoom because they were holding it together for their families and their staff.”

These professionals delayed their own compensation to maintain cash flow. They were filing PPP loans, figuring out EIDL requirements, and watching clients’ businesses collapse, all while absorbing the emotional and financial aftershocks.

“We went back to conferences and nobody was talking about what happened,” Reeves noted. “Doing that work for your clients was incredible, but it has a real impact on people.”

When Rock Bottom Has a Basement

Both Reeves and Oss Connell discovered that what feels like rock bottom often isn’t. “We all think we know what the burnout bottom feels like,” Reeves explained. “And then you’re like, oh wait, it can go even deeper.”

For Oss Connell, 15 years of building and rebuilding her CAS practice meant multiple burnout cycles. She had all the right support systems: a nanny, her mother as backup for her children, workflow software, and backup systems for clients.

“I had all the things you’re supposed to have,” she reflected. “But I didn’t put solutions in place that freed me up. I put solutions in place so that I could just layer more on.”

Her rainbow-blocked calendar, once a source of pride, actually represented something darker. “I was where the buck stopped and started, both at work and at home,” she explained. Even though work sometimes felt like a respite from personal stress, she wasn’t setting any real boundaries.

Reeves’s journey from that parking lot to losing half her revenue revealed similar patterns. As a service-oriented leader who loved building teams and culture, she initially got energy from mentoring her growing team. But soon she was coaching 12 employees while simultaneously mentoring all their clients, with two young children at home, a new marriage, and a recent move during the pandemic.

When four major clients, each worth over $100,000, canceled within 30 days through no fault of her team’s work, she scrambled to save everyone. She closed a $100,000 funding round in 30 days to save payroll. “That money was gone within a couple of months,” she admitted. “I was in the red for anyone who’s doing that math.”

The Three Warning Signs You Can’t Ignore

According to Oss Connell, burnout shows up in three distinct ways that serve as critical warnings.

First is emotional exhaustion. This can manifest in various ways, as seen with accountants, teachers, and healthcare workers during the pandemic.

Second is cynicism. It’s “that feeling of being jaded, the feeling that something you love doing, you now no longer find joy in. That is a big red flag,” Oss Connell says.

Third is a lack of accomplishment. You feel like “you’re on a hamster wheel, and no matter what you’re doing, you’re not getting ahead,” Oss Connell explains.

“Burnout isn’t the end of something,” she emphasizes. “It’s an indicator that you need to adjust something to be your most successful self.”

But recognizing these symptoms intellectually is different from acknowledging them emotionally. Both Reeves and Oss Connell waited for someone else to give them permission to stop.

“I was very conditioned, as I think most women are, to be a people pleaser,” Reeves admitted. She lived off the feedback of being told she did a good job, taking on clients from very large accounting firms despite values misalignment, because they represented good money and validation.

Oss Connell’s breaking point came when nobody challenged her plan to work overnight. “I desperately wanted somebody to intervene and say, ‘Hey, you’re doing too much.’ And nobody did.”

Rebuilding on Your Own Terms

Recovery required dismantling old structures and rebuilding with new boundaries. For Reeves, the first step was radical. “I stopped trying to be so likable.”

She audited every client in the firm’s history, dividing them into two categories: “love them or hate them.” Using this data, she analyzed patterns across services, timelines, and engagement types. This informed a complete overhaul of their service offerings.

“We redid our brand strategy, which clarified our ideal client. And that quickly kicked some people off the menu,” she explained. They productized all services, implemented annual repricing, and built documented processes so no single person was “the glue.”

“If I went on vacation for a week or two, people need to know how to onboard clients,” Reeves said. “If I’m the only person who can tell you how to do those things, that’s not very scalable.”

The firm now operates by a simple mantra: “Life is too short to work with people and projects you hate, so don’t do it.”

For Oss Connell, the solution involved honest conversations with her husband about their different visions for their co-owned firm. He wanted to grow and scale; she wanted to keep it lifestyle-oriented and small. They ultimately decided to sell the firm so neither had to compromise their vision.

These changes weren’t overnight. “It took us well over a year or two,” Reeves said, “but we stacked them one on top of the other and they unlocked.”

Community as Life Support

Strategic changes created the framework, but emotional support proved equally critical. Reeves and Oss Connell emphasize that isolation accelerates burnout.

“We need to have smaller spaces where we can talk candidly about what we’re going through,” Reeves said. This means being vulnerable—not in a performative way, but simply admitting “this is a part that I’m still working on” or “this part I haven’t figured out yet.”

The challenge is that many professional communities create pressure to present a polished image. “We’re all like A-plus students around here,” Reeves observed. “That pressure to show up and just show your shiny, polished ‘I have it figured out’ self is really high.”

But community requires effort to find. “Nobody’s going to come and be like, join our community, you really need this,” Reeves emphasized. “A lot of people who are like, ‘Well, I’m all alone.’ And I’m like, but are you seeking it?”

For Oss Connell, losing her entire support system during divorce while building her firm was devastating. “When I was struggling with my personal life and my firm, I had no support system, and I did not go out and search for it. That is probably the number one problem when I look back.”

Being in a community helps clarify identity. “I can see other people have these skills, and then I begin to see who I am better because I see who you are,” Oss Connell explained.

This extends to leadership transparency. Reeves now openly expresses stress to her team, clarifying, “This is not about you, this is just me getting it out of my body.” She’s learned to show anger or disappointment directly rather than always being the “nice boss.”

Oliver confirmed this approach works. “I talk to my employees when I feel stressed out, and it’s okay. You don’t have to be the perfect boss who has it all figured out. They really appreciate it when I’m honest.”

Breaking the Cycle for Good

The path forward requires accepting that sustainable success doesn’t require self-destruction. As Oss Connell frames it, burnout is an indication that you need to change something,” and that adjustment is ongoing. “As life moves on, your firm evolves. Society evolves. Your clients evolve. You’re going to need to continually recalibrate.”

The accounting profession faces a choice: continue celebrating martyrdom or recognize that sustainable success requires energized, not exhausted, practitioners. The pandemic showed us the incredible resilience of accounting professionals and the devastating personal cost of that resilience.

“When we set good examples of reducing stress for the organization, we equip our employees to be more sustainable as well,” Oss Connell noted. It’s about creating firms where everyone can thrive.

Listen to this episode to hear the full stories from Reeves and Oss Connell. Whether you’re experiencing warning signs or rebuilding from your own rock bottom, the conversation provides validation that you’re not alone and strategies for creating a practice that doesn’t require your destruction to achieve success.

Stop Talking About Culture and Start Fixing These Three Problems

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“There’s nothing worse we can do for our people and our organizations than doing it the way we’ve always done it,” says Erin Daiber, CPA and founder of Well Balanced Accountants. In this episode of the Earmark Podcast, Daiber joins host Blake Oliver to tackle one of accounting’s biggest challenges: how to actually change firm culture instead of just talking about it.

From Big Four Burnout to Culture Coach

Daiber’s story starts with an ironic twist. When she entered business school, she told her parents she’d do “anything but accounting.” Yet a professor convinced her she was good at it, and at 19 or 20 years old, she took that advice to heart. “Being at that moldable stage, I thought, well, okay, I guess that’s what I need to do,” she recalls.

While she doesn’t regret her path, Daiber discovered a fundamental mismatch between her personality and the detailed work required at the staff and senior levels. “I’m not naturally detail oriented,” she admits. “I would get review notes back from my manager and the partners, and I just had nothing left to give. I really couldn’t care less about some of those details, as important as they may have been.”

What kept her going was the people. “I loved interacting with my colleagues on a day-to-day basis,” she explains. But when the managers she connected with left the firm, things unraveled. By the time she reached senior level—about three and a half years in—burnout had taken hold. “I was driving to work, looking at other people doing their jobs and thinking, gosh, that looks nice. Even the guys that were mowing the lawn on the side of the highway, I’m like, at least they get to be outdoors and breathing fresh air every day.”

After leaving for industry work that didn’t solve her problems, Daiber enrolled in a coach training program for self-discovery. Eventually, she found her way back to serving the accounting profession, but with a different mission: helping firms navigate the challenges that drove her away.

The Gap Between What We Say and What We Do

When discussing firm culture, Daiber cuts straight to the heart of the problem. “There’s often the one that we say we have, and then there’s the one that we actually have,” she states. Culture isn’t about the values on your website, it’s about “the values we live by, the behaviors that show up and are accepted and tolerated and encouraged inside of a firm.”

She shares an exercise from her firm retreats: projecting the firm’s stated values on a slide without commentary. “Oftentimes they don’t recognize them because they are not living those values every single day,” she observes. These values become “almost a mythical thing out there that we’re working towards, but not very intentionally.”

To expose this disconnect, Daiber challenges firms with a thought experiment: “If I was observing your organization from the outside in and could hear and see what’s going on, what would I say your values are? Is it profit first? Is it billable hour is king?”

Oliver agrees, sharing his preference for honesty over hypocrisy. “I would almost prefer it if the firms that are not people-first were just open about it,” he says, comparing it to Wall Street investment banks that make no pretense about prioritizing profits. “At least that’s honest.”

What Keeps Firms Stuck in Old Patterns

The conversation reveals three main forces preventing real culture change in accounting firms.

First is the scarcity mindset that infects decision-making. Oliver openly shares his struggle with saying yes to too many speaking engagements, even though he knows it prevents him from focusing on long-term goals and family time. “I say yes to these things, even though I shouldn’t, I know I shouldn’t, but then I do it anyway,” he admits.

Daiber sees the same pattern with client acceptance. She walks firm owners through their fears. “Usually within five or six steps we can get a firm owner to, well, we’ll be bankrupt. We won’t exist anymore.” The reality? “They’re so far away from that, that’s not really going to happen.”

Second is the resistance to change itself. “When I hear of firms that say, ‘we’re just doing it the way we’ve always done it,’ that is like Kryptonite,” Daiber emphasizes. “Nothing in the world is the same as it was even five years ago. How can you justify not changing how you’ve done things and how you’re serving your clients?”

Third is simple busyness. “As soon as we step back into our day-to-day, there is an almost insurmountable inertia that keeps you in that sway of busyness,” Daiber explains. Without creating what she calls “white space” in the day, there’s no capacity to implement changes.

The conversation also touches on structural problems like billable hours (“every hour is not created equal”) and micromanagement that develops when leaders lack diverse management tools. As Daiber notes about micromanaging leaders, “They actually don’t have to take responsibility for it, because you’re going to check in with them all the time.”

Making Change Actually Happen

Moving from theory to practice requires specific actions and uncomfortable decisions. Here’s what Daiber recommends:

Start by saying no

This includes “cleaning up your own mess” by transitioning out clients who don’t align with your values. “Finish out your term of working with that client, but let them know we’re not going to continue,” Daiber advises. Firms need what she calls a “red velvet rope policy” that only accepts clients who “treat our people with respect, value our services, and are willing to pay.”

Create structural changes that force new behaviors

One firm Daiber mentions implemented mental health days with a twist. “If you said, I’m taking a mental health day and anyone was caught making a request of that person on that day, they were the ones in trouble.” Oliver suggests an even more radical experiment: turning off firm email during certain weekend hours.

Build real accountability

“The firms that are really successful with this are willing to call each other out in a respectful way,” Daiber states. This means partners holding each other to commitments. “Hey, that was one of the things we said we were going to not do. Let’s fix that going forward.”

Show genuine appreciation

This goes beyond generic praise. “Catching people doing a good job is so simple. It’s free,” Daiber notes. But it also means “checking in on someone, not just about their progress on a task. How are they feeling? Do they feel like they’ve grown?”

Exit interviews reveal what happens without genuine appreciation. People say, “I don’t feel like I’m a valuable or valued member of the team. No one’s training me. No one’s taking me under their wing,” Daiber shares. “I’m going to go somewhere where I feel like somebody cares about my development.”

Most importantly, leaders must model the values they claim. “Encourage them to take time off and unplug during their time off, don’t email them on the weekend,” Daiber emphasizes. “All of those things that we wish people would do for us, we need to do for them.”

The Choice Every Firm Must Make

As the conversation wraps up, both Oliver and Daiber acknowledge that changing firm culture isn’t mysterious; it’s just uncomfortable. It requires letting go of profitable but problematic clients, breaking long-held habits, and having difficult conversations with colleagues.

“We have to start creating a culture of ownership and responsibility,” Daiber explains. But this can’t happen while clinging to old metrics and methods. Each leader must take personal responsibility for “working through their own blocks and concerns or scarcity or fears around letting go of this old way of doing things.”

The accounting profession faces a clear choice: continue losing talented people to outdated practices and fear-based management, or do the hard work of aligning daily operations with stated values. As Daiber’s own journey shows, when good accountants leave the profession entirely, everyone loses.

Listen to the full episode to hear more about Daiber’s framework for culture transformation, including additional exercises for exposing true firm values and strategies for breaking the micromanagement cycle. Whether you’re a partner watching good people leave, a manager caught between competing demands, or staff wondering if change is possible, the conversation offers a practical roadmap for moving from culture as concept to culture as daily experience.

The Math Is Brutal: Every CPA Must Triple Their Productivity by 2035 or Face Professional Extinction

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“When you chart out demand versus supply of people over time, what that math tells you is that ten years from now, 2035, every CPA in the profession will have to be 2.7 times more productive on a revenue per employee basis than they are today. That is crazy.”

David Wurtzbacher shared this projection on a recent episode of the Earmark Podcast. As the founder and CEO of Ascend, a private equity-backed platform that’s completed over three dozen firm acquisitions in just over two years, Wurtzbacher offers an outsider’s perspective on the profession.

His background scaling Lightwave Dental from 7 to 80 locations taught him how private equity can either destroy professional cultures or transform them for the better. Now he’s applying those lessons to accounting, where the numbers paint a sobering picture: demand for services keeps climbing while fewer people enter the profession each year.

To put this in perspective, a typical well-performing firm today generates around $200,000 in revenue per employee. Wurtzbacher’s projection means that number needs to approach $600,000 per person within a decade. Even scarier? By 2035, roughly 85% of the profession will consist of people with ten years or less of experience in an industry where most say you can’t even make partner in that timeframe.

But Wurtzbacher isn’t just highlighting the problem. Through Ascend’s model of preserving firm independence while providing enterprise-scale resources, he’s showing how firms can achieve these seemingly impossible productivity gains through three key transformations.

The Leadership Evolution: From Managing Partner to True CEO

The biggest barrier to 2.7x productivity isn’t technology or talent. It’s how firm leaders spend their time. Most managing partners remain trapped doing client work while trying to run their businesses, creating a fundamental ceiling on growth.

“The very first place we go is to the leader of the firm,” Wurtzbacher explains. “We want to help them through a transition to become a true CEO, defined as them having one client, which is the firm.”

This leadership trap stems from what Wurtzbacher calls the “fiercely independent” culture of accounting. During his research, he consistently heard from entrepreneurial CPAs who valued their independence: the name on the door, community reputation, caring for people and clients their way. But this independence prevents the changes necessary for breakthrough growth.

The problem runs deeper than time management. The client service orientation that defines quality accounting actually caps leadership development. With seasonal demands and constant client pressure, managing partners find limited windows for strategic work throughout the year.

The real breakthrough requires confronting a limiting belief. “When you’re close with your clients, you believe nobody can do the work but you,” Wurtzbacher observes. “No one else can have this client relationship.”

Consider Lee Cohen from LMC in New York, who exemplifies this transformation. Cohen was initially stressed, unhappy, and heavily involved in client work. Through Ascend’s CEO transition process, “Cohen literally became a different person. He would tell you that,” Wurtzbacher says.

Fifty percent of Cohen’s transformation came from a mindset shift. The other fifty percent came from bringing in a Chief Growth Officer—not a traditional business development role, but a general manager from outside the profession. “A lot of them have MBAs, but they are hungry, humble, smart people that come in and create visibility for that leader about what’s going on in the business and where there are opportunities.”

This operational support, combined with the mindset shift away from client dependency, sets leaders free to focus on what only they can do: building and directing their firms.

Creating an “Irresistible Offer” for Top Talent

Even the best leadership transformation can’t solve the profession’s talent crisis through traditional methods. When quality candidates routinely field six, seven, or eight job offers, firms need something fundamentally different.

Wurtzbacher’s solution centers on creating an “irresistible offer,” and it starts with better recruiting. “So many firm recruiters grew up in the profession, and they’re trapped with the baggage of old ways of doing things,” he explains. Ascend built a team of professional recruiters from outside accounting who understand best practices for finding candidates and closing deals.

But the real breakthrough is compensation innovation. While the profession is “very base salary heavy,” Ascend developed an off-the-shelf bonus program that lets firms pay more cash than competitors. They also extended equity ownership far beyond traditional partner levels.

“We have well over 100 people across all our firms that are managers or senior managers that are investors in Ascend. They own Ascend stock,” Wurtzbacher reveals. These employees invest $10,000 to $50,000 annually in company stock—typically funded through the enhanced bonus program—essentially dollar-cost averaging into equity appreciation throughout their careers.

This creates what Wurtzbacher calls “a different cultural energy.” When people understand how equity value creation works outside the traditional partnership model, they connect their daily work to long-term wealth building. The psychological shift from employee to owner fundamentally changes commitment levels.

The design also solves a collaboration problem. Because everyone owns Ascend stock regardless of which firm they work for, “it creates a one team attitude across all our firms” that unlocks knowledge sharing across the platform.

The results speak for themselves. Firms that described capacity as their “#1 issue” now consider that problem solved. “Our big issue now is how do we go and get all the right kinds of new business that we want to keep our great people excited and motivated,” Wurtzbacher notes.

Technology at Enterprise Scale

Achieving nearly triple productivity requires more than incremental improvements. It demands systematic transformation through AI, global teams, and automation that individual firms cannot afford alone.

But there’s a gap between AI hype and reality. “There is so much more hype and future forecasting than there is reality in this area,” Wurtzbacher observes. For firms feeling behind, “that’s just not the case.” Most firms implementing AI are saving perhaps two hours per person per week, and that’s only for the most advanced adopters.

This creates both opportunity and strategic imperative. While individual firms struggle with overwhelming AI options, they lack technical expertise and capital for truly transformative capabilities. The solution requires enterprise scale.

Ascend illustrates this advantage in action. They’re building a 30-person software engineering and AI team by year-end. “No medium-sized or smaller firm is going to be able to do that,” Wurtzbacher explains.

Their strategy operates on two fronts: strategic buying versus building. For general needs, they purchase existing products. For capabilities essential to their workflows, they invest millions annually developing proprietary AI solutions.

One promising area addresses what Wurtzbacher calls the client context problem. Years of relationships generate institutional knowledge typically trapped “in your head, in spreadsheets, in work papers, in your inbox, and some other tool.” Their AI team works on aggregating this context into accessible systems that transform practitioners from information gatherers into true advisors.

Global talent represents another productivity component. Ascend’s acquisition and transformation of Sentient Solutions, a global capability center exclusively serving US accounting firms in Hyderabad, India, demonstrates sophisticated global team integration. But this isn’t simple outsourcing; it requires developing playbooks that elevate rather than replace domestic work.

Even basic infrastructure offers huge opportunities. Practice management systems in accounting are “so messed up,” Wurtzbacher notes. Before AI delivers transformation, firms need fundamental technological foundations for tracking work and maintaining institutional knowledge.

The Choice Facing Every Firm

Survival depends on three interconnected transformations happening simultaneously: leaders evolving from client servers to strategic CEOs, revolutionary talent approaches through equity ownership, and enterprise-scale technology investments individual firms cannot achieve.

This is a watershed moment for professional services. The mathematical reality of 2.7x productivity gains will separate surviving firms from those becoming obsolete. When 85% of the profession will have a decade or less experience by 2035, traditional models don’t just fail; they become mathematically impossible.

But there’s reason for optimism. Firms embracing these changes discover that freeing leaders from client work unleashes strategic energy, equity ownership creates cultural transformation beyond salary increases, and enterprise-scale technology delivers impossible productivity gains.

Wurtzbacher’s personal timeline reinforces this long-term vision. At 37, he tells people “this very well could be the last thing I do. So I’m thinking of Ascend in terms of decades.” While typical private equity investments last three to four years, his commitment spans the time needed for real transformation.

For accounting professionals, this is an existential threat and an unprecedented opportunity. The mathematical moment of truth has arrived. The question isn’t whether change is coming. It’s whether you’ll lead it or be overwhelmed by it.

Listen to the full conversation with David Wurtzbacher on the Earmark Podcast to hear more about Ascend’s approach to transforming accounting firms while preserving their independence.