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Blake Oliver

How an SEC Internship Led to a Thriving Career In Forensic Accounting

Blake Oliver · May 29, 2024 ·

Think working at the Big Four is the only way to make it big in accounting? Think again. Cody Turley’s story might just change your perspective.

On a bonus episode of The Accounting Podcast, Cody Turley, a CPA and CFE currently working at the SEC, challenges the notion that Big Four experience is the only route to success in accounting. He shares his experience to demonstrate that working at top organizations in industry or government can provide equally valuable experience and open doors.

The Power of Non-Traditional Accounting Internships

Cody’s path began with an unconventional internship at the SEC. And it wasn’t that difficult to get.

“So I really liked the show Suits,” Cody recalls. “And at one point they get in trouble with the SEC. And that just kind of peaked my mind about forensics. I should go and look at what that is. And I just applied online, and I got a call back and that’s it. That’s how I got that internship.”

Cody’s internship at the SEC exposed him to high-level tasks and responsibilities, such as reviewing complaints against companies of all sizes. The SEC’s name recognition also helped open doors for Cody in his subsequent career, even years after the internship.

A Government Job Doesn’t Mean Slow Advancement

After the SEC internship, Cody landed a job at the Arizona Corporation Commission. In his mid-20s, he was leading a forensic accounting team. “A year of experience, and I’m testifying, which just doesn’t happen at [public accounting] firms,” he shares.

Leading a team of more experienced employees was challenging but rewarding for Cody, as it provided opportunities to learn from their experience while guiding the team. His age did not hinder his ability to lead effectively, demonstrating that leadership skills and expertise can be developed early in one’s career, even in a government role.

Navigating the Complexities of Government Roles

Cody then returned to the SEC. His current role involves investigating offering frauds such as Ponzi schemes, tracing assets, and reviewing audited financial statements to identify errors. He collaborates with auditors and companies to investigate potential issues, often through subpoenas and interviews.

One of the challenges Cody faces in his role is interacting with large accounting firms. However, he emphasizes the importance of focusing on the learning process and gathering information rather than trying to be “better” than the firms in every instance.

How to Land a Government Accounting Role

For accounting professionals interested in exploring government roles, Cody offers some practical advice based on his own experience. 

He suggests applying online, as hiring tends to be more merit-based than the private sector. This levels the playing field for candidates who may not have extensive industry connections but possess the necessary qualifications and skills.

Cody also highlights the benefits of working in smaller teams within government agencies. These teams can allow for rapid skill development and increased responsibility compared to private accounting firms’ more structured and hierarchical environments.

A World of Possibilities: Future Career Options

Cody’s government background has created many potential future paths, including moving up in government, transitioning to state-level roles, or pursuing opportunities like internal audit at major corporations. His skills are highly transferable and sought-after.

“The biggest company I’ve received an offer from was Disney at one point to be on one of their internal investigation teams,” Cody reveals. This highlights the value that the private sector places on the skills and experiences gained through government accounting roles. His background in investigating financial crimes and navigating complex regulatory environments has equipped him with a unique skill set that is highly sought after by businesses looking to strengthen their internal audit and compliance functions.

The Bottom Line: Finding Your Own Fulfilling Path

Cody’s experience shows that there is no one-size-fits-all approach to building a successful and fulfilling career in accounting. While the Big Four path may be the right choice for some accounting majors, future CPAs need to explore the full range of options available and find the path that aligns with their unique interests, skills, and goals.

Whether it’s pursuing government roles, seeking out industry positions at top companies, or exploring specialized fields like forensic accounting, there are countless ways to build a rewarding career in this dynamic field. The key is to remain open to new opportunities, seek diverse experiences, and never stop learning and growing.

So, if you’re ready to take control of your accounting career and explore the exciting possibilities that await you, listen to the full podcast episode featuring Cody Turley. His insights and experiences are sure to inspire you and provide valuable guidance as you navigate your professional journey.

The Two Metrics That Can Double Your Accounting Firm’s Value in One Year, According to a Top Broker

Blake Oliver · May 29, 2024 ·

What if you could double your accounting firm’s value in a single year? Brannon Poe, a broker who’s handled over 500 firm sales, says it’s possible with the right strategic changes. 

In a recent podcast interview, Poe revealed that firms of any size can transform to maximize value and position themselves as attractive acquisitions by understanding what buyers want. The secret, he says, lies in mastering two key metrics.

We’ll unpack Poe’s road-tested insights on the levers of firm value and see how one traditional practice achieved a staggering valuation increase with clever strategic shifts. Whether you aim to sell soon or build a more valuable business, Poe’s wisdom will show you the way.

The Two Metrics That Move the Valuation Needle

Want to supercharge your accounting firm’s value? Brannon Poe says zeroing in on two key metrics can have an outsized impact.

1. Cash Flow to Owner  

“I always tell people, I’ve got two metrics. If you focus on these two metrics alone, you will increase the value of your firm,” Poe explains. “Cash flow to owner is probably number one.”

Your bullseye? For firms under $1.5 million in revenue, pushing cash flow to 50% or more of revenue. To calculate it, add your profit, owner compensation, and owner perks. For example, if your firm earns $1 million in revenue and your cash flow is $500,000, you’re right on target. The higher your cash flow margin, the more attractive your firm looks to buyers.

2. Owner Hours

“Owner hours is the other thing,” says Poe. “If you want the owner hours to be lower, lower is better – at least under 2000. But I have seen very well-systematized virtual firms get into the 500 mark for an owner. So you’re creating a real business at that point.” 

Minimizing owner hours reduces key-person risk and makes your firm more transferable. Buyers hesitate to acquire firms dependent on grueling owner hours, but a firm that runs smoothly with minimal owner involvement garners premium offers. 

Poe notes that adopting subscription pricing can drive progress on both fronts. Steady, recurring revenue and systematized work help boost margins while trimming owner hours. 

By lasering in on lifting cash flow and reducing owner involvement, firms of any size can transform into highly valuable, transferable assets. Next, we’ll see how one traditional firm put these principles into action to stunning effect.

From Surviving to Thriving: A Case Study in Strategic Transformation

The story of one husband-wife firm perfectly illustrates how powerful Brannon Poe’s value-boosting principles can be – even for small, traditional practices. 

Starting Point: A Traditional Firm in Need of Change

When the owners first approached Poe, they ran a classic mom-and-pop shop generating $1.2 million in annual revenue. Feeling overworked, underpaid, and unsure if they could keep going, they turned to Poe for help.

The Transformation Game Plan

Working with Poe, the owners implemented three key changes:

  1. Fired unprofitable clients: To free up much-needed capacity, the firm shed about 100 clients that drained time and resources but delivered minimal profits. 
  2. Raised prices: As Poe puts it, “If you don’t like your practice, keep increasing the prices until you like your practice.”
  3. Embraced subscription pricing: Transitioning clients, especially bookkeeping customers, to a recurring subscription model provided a steady, profitable revenue base.
  4. Launched advisory services: The firm created packaged advisory offerings and bundled them into subscription plans, enabling premium pricing.

Stunning Results in Just One Year  

The transformation was dramatic and swift. In just 12 months, the firm:

  • Increased annual revenue to $1.6-1.7 million
  • Expanded margins as new recurring revenue flowed to the bottom line  
  • Reduced owner hours while increasing employee pay
  • Landed an all-cash deal at their full $2 million asking price

The Power of Strategic Transformation

This firm’s journey embodies the incredible potential of Poe’s approach. By lasering in on profitability, recurring revenue, and owner efficiency, they morphed from a floundering traditional practice into a high-value strategic asset – in just one year. 

The Roadmap to a Firm That Works for You

This story powerfully illustrates that transforming your firm doesn’t have to take decades. With relentless focus on the right drivers, even tiny traditional practices can utterly rewrite their futures in under a year.

The key is strategically designing your transformation around buyers’ wants: powerhouse profitability with minimized owner dependence. Adopting the recurring revenue model, shedding margin-draining clients, and productizing premium advisory services are shortcuts for getting there faster.

Poe envisions a future where firm owners don’t have to choose between a profitable practice and a livable life. By architecting businesses that thrive without their constant oversight, owners can boost their bottom lines, free their schedules, and create thriving firms that are valuable today – and sellable tomorrow.

If you’re ready to build a practice that funds your ideal lifestyle now while setting you up for a profitable exit whenever you’re ready, the roadmap is clear – and it starts with learning everything you can from the best in the business. Take the first step now by listening to the full interview with Brannon Poe.

Harnessing AI’s Power to Transform Your Firm (No Coding Required)

Earmark Team · May 27, 2024 ·

You’re sipping your morning coffee, scrolling through your inbox, when you see it – yet another anxious client email asking about their tax return status. You sigh, knowing the next 15 minutes will be spent digging through practice management software and crafting a reply. But what if there was a better way?

In a recent episode of The Accounting Podcast, hosts Blake Oliver and David Leary reveal how they’re using AI at their company, Earmark, to boost productivity and client service without resorting to fee hikes.

Their big idea? By strategically integrating AI into your existing processes and datasets, you can unlock massive efficiency gains, deliver proactive client communication, and increase profits – without charging a penny more.

In this deep dive, we’ll explore two key themes from Blake and David’s AI playbook:

  • The AI Pricing Paradox: Is “smarter” software a justification for higher fees, or a tool for doing more with less?
  • The Power of Practical AI: How no-code tools like Zapier can help you automate routine client communication by connecting siloed data.

Along the way, we’ll challenge some common AI misconceptions and share actionable tips for kickstarting your own AI experiments. Let’s get started!

The AI Pricing Paradox: Efficiency Driver or Fee Inflator?

A recent Thomson Reuters survey found that 40% of tax pros believe AI will enable them to charge higher fees, with a bold 2% even predicting “significant” rate bumps.

But as early AI adopters, Blake and David aren’t buying the hype. In their experience, AI’s magic is its ability to supercharge efficiency, not justify steeper invoices.

“At Earmark, we’re seeing AI drive 4-8x productivity gains,” Blake reports. “That means we can slash labor costs and pass those savings on to clients.”

Rather than inflating prices, they see AI as a powerful deflationary force, exerting downward pressure on fees as more firms reap its efficiency rewards.

Cutting Through the AI Fog

So, what explains the chasm between the survey respondents’ bullish predictions and Blake and David’s more measured take? They chalk it up to a simple truth: many accountants haven’t logged enough hands-on hours with AI to separate hype from hard-won insight.

In other words, the survey likely captures more AI daydreams than real-world road tests.

Bidding Billable Hours Farewell?

Looking ahead, Blake and David predict AI’s relentless efficiency march will sound the death knell for billable hours, forcing firms to embrace flat-fee and value-based pricing.

Imagine an AI-augmented staffer cranking out in one hour what used to take eight. The old “bill-for-time” model crumbles fast in that brave new world.

Forward-thinking firm leaders proactively align their pricing with delivered value, not logged hours, positioning themselves to thrive in an AI-transformed marketplace. Luddites clinging to the billable hour risk being left in the dust.

The Power of Practical AI: Automating Client Comms with Zapier

Pop quiz: what’s the one email every accountant dreads? If you guessed “client asking for a status update,” you’re not alone. But what if you could banish those pesky requests for good without lifting a finger?

Enter Blake’s ingenious AI hack, courtesy of the no-code automation platform Zapier. With just a few affordable tools and clever stitching, he conjured an AI assistant that auto-responds to client status checks – no human intervention required.

Anatomy of an AI Email Wizard

Here’s a peek under the hood of Blake’s automation magic:

  • A client sends a status request email
  • Zapier AI parses the sender’s address
  • AI matches the address to the client database (in this case, a Google Sheet)
  • Presto! AI plucks client info like name, return status, and open items
  • AI whips up a bespoke email with all the key details, fires it off to the client

The best part? The whole thing unfolds in seconds, without an accountant lifting a finger.

Slashing Labor Costs, One Zap at a Time

Let’s do some back-of-napkin math. Manually checking a return status and pecking out an update could easily take 15 minutes. Multiply that by dozens of pings from antsy clients, and you’re wasting hours.

Blake’s AI sidekick liberates your team for higher-impact (and higher-profit) work. Even better, by proactively pinging clients, you can short-circuit many requests before they hit your inbox.

Anyone Can Build an AI Assistant

You don’t need a computer science degree or a seven-figure software budget to conjure your own client comms wizard. As long as your client data lives in a structured format (yes, even a Google Sheet), you can sic an AI on it to automate those repetitive pings.

Case in point: Blake spun up his prototype in under an hour.

Your AI Swiss Army Knife

Once you’ve caught the automation bug, the possibilities are endless:

  • Pinging clients about missing paperwork
  • Generating fee quotes and engagement letters
  • Confirming estimated tax payments

If it’s a predictable client exchange, there’s a good chance AI can handle it. Think of every minute you’ll save – and every billable hour you’ll free up – by outsourcing those routine pings to your AI email genie.

AI as a Catalyst for Reinventing the Billing Model

But AI’s true potential lies not in isolated tools, but in its power to reimagine firms from the spreadsheets up. In an industry sickened by a dwindling talent pool and the specter of commoditization, smart automation could be a potent antidote, freeing weary accountants to rediscover the strategic magic that drew them to the profession in the first place.

Imagine an AI-powered firm where every employee is a virtual CFO, unencumbered by the drudgery of data entry and free to build deep client relationships. AI, in other words, could be the catalyst for a new golden age of accounting – but only if we’re brave enough to change.

Embarking on Your AI Journey

The AI revolution is no longer a distant dream for accounting firms – it’s a present-day reality full of potential for those ready to embrace it. The question is not if your firm will adopt AI, but when and to what extent.

If you’re eager to start with AI, the best approach is to start small. Choose a single process and focus on automating it. Blake and David’s podcast offers a practical, actionable blueprint for implementing your first AI workflow in a week.

The path to a more efficient, profitable, and fulfilling accounting future begins with a single automated process, a single minute saved, and a single client impressed. The choice is yours: will you watch from the sidelines as others reap the benefits of AI, or will you take the helm and chart your course?

The opportunity is here, and the future is bright. Your AI journey awaits – it’s up to you to take the first step.

An Accounting Firm Owner’s Guide to Strategic Technology Adoption

Earmark Team · May 23, 2024 ·

Is your accounting firm’s technology stuck in the past? In a world where clients expect seamless digital experiences and remote work is the norm, relying on outdated, disconnected software can be a recipe for inefficiency, frustration, and even lost business. But with so many options on the market, how do you choose the right tools to propel your firm forward?

In a recent Earmark Podcast episode, Blake Oliver shared his framework for strategic technology adoption. He argued that firms that intentionally select software to streamline operations, enhance client experience, integrate smoothly, and enable standardization will be best positioned to thrive.

Blake walked through the key software categories firm leaders need to consider, from proposal management to artificial intelligence (AI). He emphasized the importance of choosing tools that are easy to use, align with the firm’s unique needs and processes, and facilitate client collaboration.

Proposal Software

Blake recommended proposal software options that allow firms to quickly generate professional, standardized proposals, collect e-signatures and payments, and kick off projects seamlessly. “You cannot standardize the service delivery to your clients if you don’t have standard terms in your engagement letters,” he noted.

For example, Practice Ignition and Anchor allow firms to create templated proposals with standardized terms, pricing, and payment schedules. Clients can quickly review and sign off on engagements digitally, reducing friction and ensuring consistency across the board.

Practice Management

For practice management, Blake stressed the importance of workflow tools that centralize client communications, automate tasks, and provide visibility across the firm. With remote work now the norm, he argued, “If you’re in a remote environment, how can you work remotely without having workflow software?”

Platforms like Karbon, Canopy, and Client Hub offer client portals, task management, team collaboration, and insights reporting features. By standardizing processes and centralizing information in one system, firms can boost efficiency, transparency, and accountability, even with distributed teams.

Blake shared a cautionary tale from his experience, where choosing the wrong practice management tool cost his firm weeks of lost productivity. The lesson? Prioritize ease of use and team buy-in when evaluating options to ensure successful adoption.

General Ledger & Payroll

In the realm of general ledger and payroll, Blake advised firms to curate a lean tech stack of best-fit solutions. Instead of accommodating every possible client need, he suggested choosing one or two options that cover the bases for core client types, focusing on scalability, integration, ease of use, and reporting capabilities.

For the general ledger, that might mean standardizing on QuickBooks Online for most clients, with Sage Intacct reserved for those with more complex needs. On the payroll front, Blake highlighted Gusto and OnPay as user-friendly options that automate compliance and integrate with popular GL systems.

Blake emphasized the goal of going deep on a few core platforms rather than spreading yourself thin across a dozen different tools. By strategically limiting your tech stack, you can streamline training, support, and processes while still meeting diverse client needs.

Accounts Payable & Banking

Turning to bill pay, Blake highlighted the spectrum of solutions available, from all-in-one platforms like BILL for larger clients with complex approval workflows to more streamlined options like Relay for smaller businesses. He emphasized the key is to match the tool to the client’s specific needs and design efficient processes around it.

For example, a large nonprofit with multiple departments and strict controls might benefit from BILL’s advanced approval routing and audit trails. A small business, on the other hand, may prefer Relay’s simplified workflow and flat-fee pricing. The right fit depends on factors like transaction volume, number of approvers, and accounting complexity.

Whichever tool you choose, Blake stressed the importance of clear client communication and well-defined processes. Establish expectations around bill submission, approvals, and payment timelines upfront, and consider designating a dedicated team member to manage the AP queue and troubleshoot any issues.

Artificial Intelligence

Finally, Blake touched on the exciting frontier of AI, noting that ChatGPT’s new offering for teams, coupled with Microsoft’s significant investment in OpenAI, has made the technology more viable for accounting firms than ever. He advised listeners to start exploring use cases like drafting routine documents.

For instance, firms could leverage ChatGPT to generate first drafts of engagement letters, email responses, or work papers based on predefined parameters. By automating the initial content creation, staff can focus on more strategic work like analysis and advisory.

However, Blake cautioned against an “AI-first” approach. Tools like ChatGPT should augment human expertise, not replace it. He recommended starting with narrow, well-defined pilots and keeping humans in the loop to review and refine AI-generated content.

The Path Forward

Across all these categories, Blake underscored the importance of approaching technology decisions with intention and a focus on client needs. Flashy features may generate buzz, but the true test of any tool is how well it supports your firm’s service delivery and client experience.

By aligning your tech stack with your strategic priorities, designing efficient processes, and investing in training and change management, you can harness the power of modern software to drive meaningful results. The key is to start small, iterate often, and never lose sight of the humans at the heart of your business’s heart – your team and your clients. Ready to dive deeper into Blake’s strategic technology playbook? Listen to the full episode and start charting your firm’s path to digital success.

The Accounting Profession at a Crossroads: Adapting to Stay Relevant in a Changing Business Landscape

Blake Oliver · May 23, 2024 ·

The accounting profession is at a critical juncture. Technology is rapidly transforming the business landscape. As client needs evolve and new skill sets become essential, CPAs must ask themselves: Are we keeping pace with change, or are we at risk of becoming irrelevant?

In this thought-provoking Earmark Podcast episode, I explore the evolving role and relevance of the CPA license with Steven Sacks, a consultant who serves professional service firms and not-for-profit organizations, and David Bergstein, a seasoned innovator in the accounting software industry. Our discussion reveals that to remain relevant and valuable in today’s rapidly changing business landscape, the accounting profession must adapt its education, licensure, and skill development to align with the evolving needs of clients and employers.

Bridging the Gap Between Accounting Education and Real-world Skills

There’s a growing disconnect between traditional accounting education and job market demands. David Bergstein points out, “Accounting education focuses heavily on debits, credits, and accounting standards but does not adequately prepare students with technology skills and business advisory knowledge needed in the real world.”

For example, many young professionals struggle to apply their classroom knowledge to real-world situations. They may have learned how to do t-accounts and journal entries but never touched modern accounting software like QuickBooks or Xero during their education.

Bridging the education-skills gap is crucial for the CPA profession to adapt to the changing needs of clients and employers and maintain its relevance in the business world. This may involve:

  • Incorporating more hands-on, technology-focused training into accounting curricula, such as working with modern accounting software like QuickBooks, Xero, or Sage
  • Partnering with businesses to provide internships and real-world experience for students
  • Encouraging faculty to stay up-to-date with the latest industry trends and tools
  • Emphasizing the development of soft skills, such as communication and critical thinking, alongside technical knowledge

By aligning accounting education with the realities of modern practice, the CPA profession can ensure its future members have the skills and knowledge they need to succeed in a rapidly evolving business landscape.

Reimagining CPA Licensure for a Diverse Profession

As the roles and expertise of CPAs become increasingly diverse, the profession must reevaluate its licensure model to ensure it reflects the realities of modern accounting practice.  

Steven Sacks emphasizes the need for greater clarity around the CPA’s role and definition: “If you really want to increase the pool of CPAs, define what the CPA is, what it means. Define the definition of the practice of public accounting. What is public accounting? What are accounting services? There are a lot of things that are really not clear.”

The disconnect between the CPA license and the day-to-day work of many accountants raises important questions about the credential’s relevance and value. As I point out in the episode, “What does the license actually give us a franchise on or a monopoly over? The only thing is the audit.”

Embracing Alternative Certifications and Career Paths

Our discussion reveals a growing trend of accounting professionals, particularly younger generations, pursuing non-traditional roles and credentials to build successful careers.

David Bergstein shares his observations: “I’m seeing the younger generation not become CPAs and become advisors or accountants. Non-CPAs have tremendous practices out there. They have very lucrative practices. They’re in their 30s and 40s. For the most part, they didn’t pursue an accounting career. They took very few accounting courses. Now, they’re quarterbacking firms and hiring some CPAs, but mainly accountants and non-accountants. They’re doing managerial reports and partial CFO services with a data analytics background.”

This shift in career trajectories reflects a growing recognition that the traditional CPA path may not fit everyone best. Instead, many aspiring accountants opt for alternative certifications, such as the Certified Management Accountant (CMA) or the Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA), which better align with their career goals and interests.

A Call to Action: Shaping the Future of the CPA Profession

Whether you’re a seasoned veteran or a new graduate just starting your career, you can shape the direction and impact of the CPA credential for generations to come.

So, what can you do to help drive positive change and ensure the profession’s continued success? Here are a few suggestions:

  • Advocate for educational reforms that prioritize real-world skills and hands-on learning experiences
  • Support efforts to modernize CPA licensure requirements and create new pathways for non-audit professionals
  • Explore alternative certifications and career paths that align with your unique interests and goals
  • Engage in meaningful continuing education that expands your knowledge and keeps you at the forefront of industry trends
  • Collaborate with colleagues and professional organizations to share ideas, best practices, and innovative solutions
  • Educate clients, employers, and the public about the diverse capabilities and expertise of CPAs beyond traditional audit services

By embracing change, innovation, and diversity, the CPA profession can chart a course toward a brighter future—one in which CPAs are recognized as trusted advisors, strategic partners, and indispensable experts in a wide range of financial and business disciplines.

The accounting profession is at a crossroads, and our choices today will shape its future. By adapting our education, licensure, and skill development to align with the evolving needs of clients and employers, we can ensure that CPAs remain relevant, valuable, and indispensable in a rapidly changing business landscape. To dive deeper into this critical conversation about the future of the CPA profession, listen to the full Earmark Podcast episode.

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